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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:05 AM) who should be the first three players traded? I vote: 1. Crede (find out if Fields can play). 2. Vazquez (somebody will want a pitcher). 3. Thome (Angels could use a DH). Vazquez isn't going anywhere. You bring up an interesting name in Thome though. I think he'd net us the biggest value in return.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) Gomez ain't going anywhere. He's about as untouchable as they come. Lastings Milledge is a different story. I don't care if he isn't great character-wise, we need some f***ing talent infused into this organization. I'd definitely like it if they tried to get Milledge while his stock was at its lowest. I don't even want them to make trades for this year....I'd rather they try to find guys that can be on the big league roster for the next 2 years or so.

The time to act was in the offseason. There was little done to help this big league roster...a roster that looked dead tired all during the 2nd half last year. KW's inability to get major league ready talent for Garcia really hurt. I'm not sure how much it matters though....the Tigers/Indians are much more talented than we are, and they have younger legs. If Liriano can return for the Twins next year, there's no way you can project the Sox higher than 4th place for the next few seasons.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:58 AM) It was 5-1 or 6-1 I think...and they were bypassing Morneau, which was the correct move IMO. Great. He didn't walk him, that's where the mistake was. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:00 AM) That's be nice. Won't happen, but it'd be nice. And we'll stay ahead of the Royals at least though. For at least another year.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:55 AM) Just watching on gameday and I have to ask...intentional walk down by 8 w/ 2 outs? Yep, walk Hunter instead of Morneau. Ozzie is such a good manager.

Why should the players try if the manager has quit? I don't care what the situation is....you walk Morneau in that situation.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:53 AM) Come on fathom, I'm not even that far on the ledge due to this game. AND OF COURSE THEY ARE RUNNING US OUT OF THE PARK, HAWK!! WE ARE SLOW AND OLD!! It was a serious question....not meant to knock Danks at all. I've expected Danks to have an ERA in the 5.25 range this year.

I'd love to see Ozzie have someone throw at Hunter here.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) Thats the best line I have heard so far. Hawk thinks it is simply that we are trying Too Hard! When people say that bad results are happening because they're trying too hard, that usually means that their team sucks or they're impotent. QUOTE(diegotony06 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) That's unacceptable!!!!!!!!! Not even trying out there!!! Ozzie would never allow that!

Quick prediction game: who will end up with a lower ERA this year, Danks or McCarthy?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:26 AM) There's no memo. I'm just wondering where our Boof Bonser is. Certaintly there's atleast one pitcher in the system who can match him. Right? I'm sorry, Danks is downright AWFUL tonight. Can't drop a curveball to save his life. This better be nothing but an aberration. He pitched bad against the A's, but got saved by some hard hit double plays. His strike out rate the last two games is quite alarming.

Uribe's about 2 at-bats away from the Mendoza line.

Get him out of there....don't want his confidence to be destroyed.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:22 AM) I'm ready to just let them play Owens, Fields, Sweeney and Anderson and see what we have for 2008. If Mack or Cintron are on the team again, I might scream. I admire Mackowiak's hustle, but it's sad when you have to play two benchers in a game where they're both injured and shouldn't be on the field.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:20 AM) I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I agree with Fathom. I really want this team to either play up to its offensive potential and stay healthy (the picthing is fine), or to fall apart so we can move forward. That said, this is NOT some awful team the way some of you are putting it. Its a slightly above average baseball team, even with the hitters slumping. If the hitters get back to their career averages, this is a team that could still make the playoffs. So, that's what I'm hoping for. But if that's not possible, then I hope they fall deeply into 4th place. We're not terrible....but "not terrible" won't cut it in our division. Too many tough games we have to play, and we've showed no ability for such an extended stretch to play anything well over .500.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:17 AM) Danks will take some lumps from time to time. He is 22, and is learning on the job. His numbers and his starts sans this one have been great. The team decided to not hit this year, or this kid could be have a few more wins. I like Danks a lot. He's the best reason to watch the Sox right now. However, he's going to keep having to make some adjustments this year as he goes along. I'm just thrilled we get to see him develop and not Floyd. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:17 AM) I missed the memo about our starting staff being the problem. The question you SHOULD be asking is where's our Pat Neshek or Matt Guerrier (although we originally drafted Guerrier, IIRC). Our starting pitching seems to be fading just a touch right now. Of course, a bullpen that allows every inherited runner to score doesn't help.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:14 AM) Wait till it gets warmer outside? Can we still say that? Are we talking about the offense, or are we talking about when Danks starts fading?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:11 AM) Is this team that bad? Well of course it's not. But that isn't good enough in the AL Central everybody. We are a 3rd or 4th place team in this division unless something very strange happens. Just pray that they either start playing well or they fall 10 games or so behind the Tigers/Indians. The last thing we want to see is a team that can't catch the leaders who won't trade their impending free agents.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:10 AM) With the way this season is going, I'm going to want Hawk's head on the platter first when it's over. What a freaking baby. It can't get worse than the last two months of last season, when every game, he said the following: You know what DJ, this is the most talented team I've ever seen. I can't believe they haven't gelled yet. I've talked to scouts of the opposing team, and they all tell me that you guys will be fine, don't worry. You know what DJ, if it wasn't for the two injuries, Ozzie might be going for his 3rd straight World Series title.

Wow, this might be the 2nd worst outing of the season by a starter. This team needs a kick in the ass. He doesn't look comfortable at all out there....his follow-thru is bad. Good thing Cooper's gone out there to settle him down.

QUOTE(Iguchicago @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:03 AM) That's because hardly anything positive is ever said. It's always like OMG HAWK SAID THIS or OMG OZZIE IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER. I've noticed that 100% of your posts have something ridiculously negative in them ,even if the subject is positive. If you hate everything being said during the threads, then why even make a comment to us? There's plenty of optimists on this site to raise a glass to you, etc.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:01 AM) These games are getting harder and harder to watch, they are just no fun at all. Watching Danks and Jenks pitch are the bright spots in Sox games, as well as watching Thome hit against righties. Besides that, it's an incredibly dull team.

Ugh, Gary Sheffield is officially "back" for the Tigers.

Ugh....no surprise there. Everything is up in the zone. It's ok, he was due for a bad outing.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 12:59 AM) Hawk when he is pissed is probably the worst broadcaster I have ever heard. Ron Santo is the worst announcer in history no matter what.