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QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:34 PM) Bruce Levine is saying he talked to Buehrle's agent. Buehrle HAS NOT agreed on anything That's a lot different than saying there's been no discussions. With Hahn going to Tampa this afternoon, it wasn't likely a deal has been agreed upon anyways.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 08:14 PM) Maybe Hahn is going to Tampa to ask the Count face to face to waive his no trade. or to go face Buerhle and the rest of the team to let them know what's going on.

Back to being pessimistic after reading the agent say that they won't talk until after the season.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 07:38 PM) Fathom, thats a little under 2 years that you have followed him. The guy isnt even 20 years old yet, and he definitely has shown signs of improvement offensively. He put a few moves on the pistons in the playoffs that were not dunks, he consistently went hard to the basket, he hit some free throws. Thomas has plenty of talent and will make strides. Im not saying he is in the same category as Stoudamire, because he isnt(yet), but you act as if he isnt anything, and that isnt the case. Amare Stoudemire is an offensive force....Tyrus Thomas is an athletic player right now. I'm not saying Thomas won't become a good player, but he doesn't have the tools to really be a low post scorer in the NBA. With what the Bulls need right now and their window wide open in the Eastern conference, this deal would make a ton of sense. I think Skiles has been wanting to get rid of Gordon since the day he came in.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 07:16 PM) At that close of a range.. ie. a dunk... no, not really. Stoudemire at least has a nice touch around the rim and gets to the FT line. Tyrus Thomas is a threat to break the backboard with every shot he takes. I've followed Tyrus since his 2nd week of games at LSU, and he's shown very little improvement in terms of offensive ability.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 07:13 PM) HELLLOOOOO!!! I said that their styles were similar and that it wouldn't be much a a "game" improvement. 1)Neither can make a shot past the arc 2)Both are very explosive inside 3)Both are close in height 4) Both are close in age Stoudamire brings nothing in skill that Thomas doesn't bring. If Thomas added 20 pounds of muscle, you'd see more similarities. Wow....I assume being able to put the ball in the basket isn't a skill?

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 06:37 PM) The Sox didn't say "there's no deal," they said "there's no official announcement." Basically, like the government saying "we can neither confirm nor deny that" with classified information. If the Score's source(s) are sticking to their guns, then they see no reason not to continue reporting the information they're receiving. If the Sox knew there was no chance of a deal and nothing imminent, then they would have repeated KW's line that he doesn't negotiate during the season. QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 06:39 PM) yeah, its about 5 million less than what he could make per year on the open market, but not all baseball players are greedy snobs, some are just good guys. And a four year deal now still gives him a chance, if he wants to, to sign with the Cardinals when he should still have something left in the tank. It's funny, but I was going to say if he'll take 4 yrs, the Sox should be offering 65 to 70 million.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 05:01 PM) Whether Buehrle is signed or not (ignoring everything within the last 13 pages), I would then expect Garland to be traded. Regardless of Williams labeling him unavailable, we NEED an influx of young talent on this team somehow. Someone with value has to be dealt. Contreras won't be enough. Vazquez might have more value than Garland due to having more years left on his deal. I really wish we trade Thome, especially since we don't even know the extent of his back injuries (according to Hawk).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) If you believe Ken Rosenthal on White Sox related things, you have a very short memory. What was he wrong about, the Garland to Rangers deal? That one obviously had some legs to it. QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) A radio station report saying a deal is "basically done" doesn't mean it has to be announced immediately. It could be a few days at least. I'm going to sit back and see what happens before condemning any sources, radio stations, etc. The story hasn't played out yet. Yep, especially with Buehrle pitching tonight, as well as the possibility we might try and complete a trade of another starting pitcher before we throw more money into the deal.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) So, where it stands now is no one believes 670 but people are believing the AM 1000 report? I believe Ken Rosenthal a hell of a lot more than Bruce Levine.

"No official announcement" is promising.....I swear though, if this all falls through, I'm going back to being Mr. Pessimism.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) OK, so apparently this isn't true. But, if there were some truth to it, why the hell would we even re-sign Buehrle anyway? We absolutely need to trade the vets for good prospects. That is, unless we planned on trading the rest of the rotation besides Danks. Trade Contreras and Vazquez....that's a good start.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:45 PM) Ok, last speculative comment right here. If Buehrle does come on and says he signed an extension then he went behind his agent's back to get a deal done on his own. Am I being overly optimistic though if I say I think the chances are 100 pct greater today than 24 hours ago that Buehrle would stay with the Sox?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) What was the 99% quote? Didn't someone tell Phil Arvia that he was going to re-sign with the Sox? Then, the next day, Cowley comes out with the article saying Buehrle is gone.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:37 PM) Offman is FOS. And I'm going further to say that there was never ever anthing to support this bs. So where do you think Ken Rosenthal was getting his information? I wonder if the same source that said the 99 pct quote over the weekend is the same one starting this today.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:30 PM) It's almost surely a move by the Sox to use the media to bump up Buehrle's trade value. If true, they're even dumber and more arrogant than I thought they were. The timing was definitely not right for something like this, as our fans are pissed off enough with things.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) If this turns out to be false, and given the large number of people falling for it (not just WSCR), there is another possibility to consider here. The Sox may have done this intentionally to expose the "source" - like a mole hunt. I wouldn't put it past KW. Just a thought. No way the Sox would do this, as it only makes their fans more upset if Buehrle is eventually traded.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:20 PM) In my very STRONG opinion, this is bulls*** - and not just the reported deal but that they are even talking at all right now - and I hope there is backlash. I'd like to revise my opinion... no way in hell this is true. Might it be something started by the Sox and Buehrle's camp to try and show he would have been willing to take less money to stay here? In the end, KW will trade Buehrle and say the package was just to good to not do. Unfortunately, with this rumor seemingly being BS, it's just another s***ty moment for Sox fans this year.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 04:21 PM) wasnt offman pulled off the baseball beat for making up BS? I think it was due to the Maddux to the Yankees rumors that had started before he signed with the Cubs again, and Offman said he had confirmed them. In reality, Steinbrenner was trying to find the leak in his organization, and he started that rumor himself to see who would screw up.

There seems to be a certain source who's telling people that 4/50 is a possibility. I highly doubt someone with as many connections as Ken Rosenthal is reporting what he's hearing on the Score.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) Alright my extreme joy as turned to total concern here...WTF. I know this may be dumb question but any chance KW does a sign and trade to get more for Buehrle? Nope, not a chance in hell.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) I think someone is trying to be a hero on a scoop, and will be dead freaking wrong. If that's the case, you people should raid the score. Yes, but not even an idiot would suggest 4/50.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 03:19 PM) I'm telling you, something doesn't smell right about this. Hey, I could be wrong, but this is almost TOO GOOD of a deal. Ugh...just 5 minute ago, I was much more confident.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) Holy s***!!! 4/50??????????? That seems too good to believe. That would be beyond awesome. I predict we see one more start from Jose Contreras in his Sox career.

If true, I might have to go to the Baltimore game next week and give Mr. Buehrle a standing ovation.