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QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) What does Oz do regarding his pitchers that any manager in America would not do?? Fathom maybe we'll blow the lead and you'll get the wish and Oz will quit. Who do you think will be any better in handling pitching? It's not like Ozzie is reinventing baseball. Ozzie consistently leaves his starting pitchers in for far too long. I don't have any stats in front of me, but I guarantee that our main 4 starters are all among the leaders in pitches per starts. And no, I don't want us to blow the lead. In regards to who could better handle the pitching? About 95 pct of managers in baseball. When DJ is saying that a pitcher isn't being handled properly, you know there's an issue.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 11:42 PM) I love Oz's quotes. We suck. He knows it. You know it. I know it. Can we make the playoffs? Doubtful. Like you all said Cleveland is simply going to rout the Royals; those games will be over by mid-game. We on the other hand will be lucky to win one in Minn. Ouch. Good points. The thing is, there's nothing you, me, or 99 pct of soxtalk posters can do about it. All we can do from here on out is hope for the best.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 10:47 PM) Hopefully, if this keeps up, KW will at least do something about it. If this keeps up...KW goes on probation for me. He gets 1 year to turn it around. We've been saying the same thing about KW after the past 3 seasons.

Just ask the Cubs how this season went for them after having a nasty collapse at the end of their 2004 season. Bring back Dusty and Hendry did that franchise no good at all.

QUOTE(marsh @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 10:03 PM) The only way ozzie is not the manager next year is if he quits. There is no chance a team is gonna fire a manager they just gave a two year extension to. Who was the person on here who thought it was a terrible move by the Sox? I remember there was someone who was all over the move when it happened? No, it wasn't me. I really want to know who said it.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) IF Sox miss postseason KW or OG will have to go and my vote would be KW and OG really someone has to pay for utter complete failure of 2005. OG handling of staff and pen are some of the worst I have seen by a MLB manager. KW deserves a lot more praise than Ozzie. KW had a terrific offseason when he found very solid replacements at our most important holes. It would be a shame if KW took the fall for this team choking. I hope Steve Stone is ready to fill in.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) I disagree, fathom. I just think those sorts of stories are what come up when the spotlight is placed more intensely on a situation. I highly doubt it's any different then what other teams like the Yankees or Red Sox go through. You can oftentimes hear about how it's a soap opera for those situations too. More spotlight means more dramatic stories, I think. But doesn't a lot of it seem to be happening while our struggles have taken place? To me, that seems like a lack of composure.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:47 PM) Are we referring to Dusty Guillen here? Dusty at least got his 2003 Cubs team into the playoffs.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:45 PM) I get the feeling this chemistry crap went out the window recently. I don't know what might have triggered it, but the whole team looks tense, flat and defeated. Hawk has that sound to his voice again. He'll never tell us what's up, but he doesn't need to. Go back and read my list of reasons I feel this is a full organizational collapse. Between the Marte situation, the Duque/McCarthy stuff, the players b****ing about attendance, Iguchi b****ing about rest/spot in the order, and Gload's b****ing....this sure seems like the 2004 Cubs. LaTroy Hermanson looked good last night.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) Think back to the game against the Tigers where Ozzie had him throwing in the ninth of a game they were losing after throwing over a 100 pitches and having a one hour rain delay. Keep racking up all those innings on the arms Ozzie. Maybe you finally killed them. Yet some people still refuse to even consider that Ozzie might be somewhat to blame for our starting pitchers tanking.

So then why in the hell did Ozzie put Garcia out for the 6th inning last night?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) Why even identify yourself as a White Sox fan if you're not still in? I honestly think it makes people think that it will hurt less if they don't make the playoffs. I've seen an awful lot of textbook defense mechansims being stated by posters on this site lately. It's a sad situation where I'm considered more optimistic than most posters on this site.

If this team doesn't make the playoffs, say goodbye to PK, and I'll be shocked if we raised payroll at all. And I agree that this will have a negative impact on the franchise. We have a lot of bandwagon fans, and there's going to be a lot of pissed off jumpers. Our loyal fans are not enough to result in great attendance figures no matter how the team is playing.

QUOTE(infohawk @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) It's not Ozzie's fault that the starting pitchers have been sub-par down the stretch. It's not? These guys have thrown so many pitches all year because of Ozzie's long hook, who knows if they would have had more left in the tank for the stretch run. While Ozzie has gone out of his way to rest a lot of guys like Iguchi, he's been using his starting pitchers an awful lot in regards to number of pitches. However, all the blame for this should not be on Ozzie. This is a full organizational collapse. BTW, we're 1-6 since the players b****ed about attendance.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) My question is,and something that might have to be looked into, did this team quit on Ozzie? I blame Ozzie for a lot, but I don't think that this team quit on him. I think we overachieved/got lucky so much early in the year, that we just tried to coast into the playoffs. As I've said thousands of times on here, this team isn't good enough to take the foot off of the accelerator, and expect to stay at a top pace. I've nitpicked so much this year, but it really boils down to this team either getting a pair and beating the Indians this year, or they won't be going to the playoffs. Either way, life goes on for all of us, and that was an epiphany I had after last night's game which really put things into perspective.

Prediction: KW will be the scapegoat if we choke, and Ozzie will stay as the manager as Steve Stone is brought in to be GM

This is going to get ugly. Hell yes, he would deserve to get fired. Will he? f*** no!

What did PK do to end the game? Also, what was Hawk's reaction at the end of the game? Ozzie...please move PK back to the 4th spot in the lineup. He's been brutal after being on an absolute tear.

Pods is so overrated, it's not even funny. Oh well, keep up hope. The season's not over.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) viscinio has no business being on playoff roster Don't worry, he won't be.

I'm going to blame the damn gas prices for our collapse. Nearly every pitcher on the Sox has nothing left in the tank, yet we've been unable to refill them.

I'm not watching the game, but I bet Ozzie regrets leaving Viz in to die before.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) And here I am, looking at the standings and seeing the White Sox still with the best record in the AL. I'm also looking at the "previous 10 games" and noticing that they are 5-5, just like Boston. I notice that the Indians are what, 8-2? Who gives a s*** about Boston right now. We also had a 7 game winning streak, and have since lost 6 out of 7.

Unlike past years when we had to rely on the Twins losing down the stretch to make the playoffs, the fate of the Sox rest in their own hands. I know that Ozzie and Cooper keep saying they're going to stick with the players that have got them here. Well boys, some of these veterans are responsible for the Sox massive slump. Play the guys who have the best chance to help the Sox win, and leave the egos at the f***ing door.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) They appear to be giving up on themselves and have for some time. Fine, then they don't deserve to make the playoffs and deserve to be the laughing stock of baseball for a while. Don't worry, no one in the media really cares about the White Sox. If this was the Cubs, it would be at the top of every newscast. I've said this all along: if the Sox don't make the playoffs, they have no one to blame but themselves.