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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 11:00 PM) We see this rumor talk going around about trading Bobby Jenks and commenst about the Sox thinkig a kid at AA (Link) can step in and become the big league closer to replace Jenks. My thoughts on this is someone must have alot of time of their hands to dream, this stuff up. The Sox can'tg really be that far out are they? Why is that so tough to imagine? Bobby was a 24 year old AA pitcher when he replaced Hermanson in '05.

QUOTE (SmashROT @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) I'd be up for offering him a 1 year, although he will probably make some decent change somewhere else. Any chance we take a shot at Randy Johnson for the 5th starter spot? I hear a lot of talk about Colon and Garcia on this board and personally it gets me a little shakey. Randy has said that he'd like to stay in the NL and he's looking for around $8M.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 01:47 PM) Low ball him on a 1-yr offer to stay in Chicago, he said he prefers to stay in Chicago, make him say no, if we could get him for 1-yr reasonable $$$s why not, I am all for loading up our bullpen. If he thinks he is going to get $10mm and more than 2yrs he is crazy, not with his injury history. He'll get 3 years, $30M easy, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he pulls in a 4 year deal worth $10M per. He showed last year that he can stay relatively healthy out of the pen while being a more than competent closer, that's all some teams need to see especially those who desperate for a late inning-man.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) take a bag of chips and move on...thank god we won't have to see him pitch for us again. That's not what this is at all, we could very well see him again next year, he's still a member of the organization until he chooses to leave.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) So Macs options are to take the $3M from the Sox and sit out a year or to sign a new contract with somebody else? Well he's not "sitting out" he'll just start the year in Charlotte making $2.65M (there's a 350k buyout for '09 bringing the guaranteed money to $3M). If he pitches well enough through the first few months of the season the Sox could elect to place him on the 40 man roster and call him up. No matter what he decides to do however, he's likely to start the season in AAA, no one's going to give him a major league contract.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) Pujols will never be greater than Gehrig until he averages 140-150 RBI a season for 8 straight seasons. Yep and just as soon as you get him in the middle of a lineup with 5 other Hall of Famers (1 of which is Babe Ruth) on a team with a .380 OBP he'll do just that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) Seems like we are trying to clear money for something. Well this move doesn't free up any money unless MacDougal refuses the assignment, which he shouldn't. It looks like they're trying to free up spots on the 40 man roster, possibly for the Dec. 8th Rule V Draft deadline.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) there is nothing validating this right? cuz i've heard nothing about this. st louis isn't that retarded. It's not a rumor, it was just Mark Gonzales throwing a name out there because he's not familiar with the Cardinals.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:26 PM) Can't MacDougal reject the guaranteed money to become a FA? He could but he's not going to do any better on the open market than the $3M he's guaranteed from the Sox, he'd be looking at a MLC with an invite to Spring Training if he were a free agent.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:28 PM) I'm about 100% sure when a player is "outrighted" he went through the waiver process and nobody claimed him. Yep. Otherwise they'd just be reporting that he was placed on waivers. "Outrighting" a player is something you can only do after they clear waivers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) If he accepts aribtration we don't get a draft pick AND we can only cut his pay by 20%. All of that for maybe 2nd round pick. And you can only hope to cut his pay by 20%. Given the fact that he qualified as a Type B player at his position and players rarely receive pay-cuts in arbitration (unless they miss an entire season due to injury; save Joe Crede) Juan would make no less than $4.5M in 2009. If the Sox offered anything from $3.6M to $4.4M in arbitration and Juan submitted a number of $4.75M, I think Juan would win. I still think a team would trade for him though, so if he did accept arb. the Sox wouldn't be stuck with his contract for long.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 03:54 PM) Heh, I guess we weren't getting anything in trade for him then. He could still elect not to take the outright, and go out as a free agent, right? My question is, if he does decline the assignment, is his contract null and void? Or does a signing team get his current contract? I believe the contract is null. He doesn't get a dime.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 01:02 PM) Whoa. I just read a rumor that St Louis was interested in Dye and Javy and have been dangling Colby Rasmus. He would be a perfect fit for us. He's a CF'er, lead off hitter, has speed. By "dangling" do you mean "Mark Gonzales just threw his name out there because he knows nothing of the Cardinals Organization"? The Cardinals were unwilling to even talk about moving Rasmus just 4 months ago when better players were being offered up for him, they're not going to relinquish him now for 1-2 years of Dye and his 8 figure salary, Rasmus is far too valuable to that organization.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 05:36 PM) its strange KW really loves to scout the AFL....i mean its a good place to see prospects playing against other high level prospects (especially for guys who have only played in A ball like beckham) but it really seems like KW puts more stock into what he sees there than most GMs....sometimes i think he puts too much stock into it...i believe nick masset was acquired heavily because of his "jenks lite" effort given at the AFL as well Actually Masset was pitching in the Mexican Winter League.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) From the standpoint of this year and this year only, I like the trade. Looking back a year, Gio/Sweeney/Fautino blow Marquez/Betemit/Nunez out of the water in terms of value at the time of the trade. But I like what we got for the most part, and think it's fair value. We'll just put Swisher in the mistake pile for KW. Agreed on all counts. It's a decent way to kick off what's sure to be an interesting offseason.

Congrats Carlos. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb The others: AMERICAN LEAGUE Catcher: Joe Mauer, Twins First base: Justin Morneau, Twins Second base: Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox Third base: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees Shortstop: Derek Jeter, Yankees Outfield: Josh Hamilton, Rangers Outfield: Carlos Quentin, White Sox Outfield: Grady Sizemore, Indians Designated hitter: Aubrey Huff, Orioles NATIONAL LEAGUE Catcher: Brian McCann, Braves First base: Albert Pujols, Cardinals Second base: Chase Utley, Phillies Third base: David Wright, Mets Shortstop: Hanley Ramirez, Marlins Outfield: Ryan Braun, Brewers Outfield: Matt Holliday, Rockies Outfield: Ryan Ludwick, Cardinals Pitcher: Carlos Zambrano, Cubs

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:30 PM) I'm not sure what to think. Swisher was bad but he looked like PK's replacement at 1B. However, they still may trade PK, stick Viciedo at 3B if they get him, then put Betemit at 1B. However, what do we do in CF now? I figured we'd be getting Melky in return when I heard we dealt Nick to New York. How is Wilson's defense? I feel confident in saying that would be the weakest corner infield in the game and possibly one of the worst of all time.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) Nick Swisher in the most professional clubhouse in baseball. Should be interesting. I guess the real question is; how will Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter and Joe Girardi react to the rally sodomized blow up dolls and the Dirty Cat salon? Poor Nick, it almost seems like Kenny dealt him to the Yankees out of spite.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) did you not happen to see giambi's stache all year? That's all they allow. Swisher is all about the dyed goatees, long sideburns and patterned beards, they don't allow that s*** in New York.

Swish is gonna have a tough time in New York. That goofy facial hair ain't gonna fly with the Yankees and if he gets off to a slow start on the field but keeps up his wacky act off the field the fans and media will destroy him.

Betemit has 4 years of service under his belt so he's under team control for 2 more years.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 03:51 PM) Sox got Betemit also Kind of funny, I was really hoping the Sox would steal him away from LA at the deadline in '07. Sox also got Johnny Nunez. Sox included a class A pitcher in the deal, not named yet.

Marquez spent some time on the disabled list season, can't find any specifics on the injury but the guy is a friggin' twig (6'2, 175), better not be elbow soreness.

So according to Scott Miller of sportsline.com this thing is just about done, looks like the Cubs missed out. So sad. http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/11665079

Double Indemnity for sure. Also Amadeus (kind of) and The Killing.