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I'm pretty sure that was a collective effort with Colson since you can talk about the work with Fuller in AZ and also the analytics people who suggested to the coaches that Colson might be a good candidate for the Torpedo bat based on batted ball data. That only happened during the recent TB series a week ago. Props to Colson too that he was open to the suggestion .

I think that's where I have fundamental differences with a lot of people here. I just don't agree that being in the negative majority or on your own turf should allow you to abuse people. Stringing up people for being a different color or wiping out entire civilizations brought people together too as did empires wanting to expand their turf. I think we go a little overboard in our testosterone filled fandom. I know it's just a message board so there's no actual violence but it is concerning that being on the "right" side of the argument gets you more leeway. Might makes right or majority rules is extremely antiquated. I was watching the ReKap podcast after the TDL passed and Ryan McGuffey was hosting it and he does a lot of interaction with fans through the comments and fans were threatening Jed Hoyer . And McGuffey point blank told them he wouldn't condone threats of violence even if it's just empty threats or people blowing off steam. In real life blowing off steam gets a lot of innocent people killed by a lot of idiots who can't control their impulses and violent outbursts.

Exactly. I like the way you phrased it that the Dodgers don't have any special sauce. The money factor and location allows them to get top domestic and imported players. When the Dodgers spend massive amounts on guys who get hurt or don't produce ,it just make the pennant race tighter rather than crippling the franchise from doing it again like the Danks money convinced JR to never pay for long term or expensive pitching contracts. Of course mostly JR always had excuses not to spend in lot of different areas . It was just BS. The older he got the more excuses he gave.

To be completely transparent I thought the Cease down year after the near Cy Young season hurt his market and I thought the board overvalued him in much the same way they did with Robert. So I wasn't bothered by Orioles fans so much. However Orioles management was still in a position to offer better than the Sox got for him. It's like reading the MLBTR comments section where a lot of Cubs fan didn't want Houser. Well they got their wish yet Cub fans are outraged Cubs mostly sat on their hands at the TDL as they should be. Ultra conservative at the TDL doesn't win you Championships. You want to see some calculated risks at the very least. I'm glad Tampa was thinking outside the box a bit because this follow the leader BS of hoarding position player prospects over actual MLB production over a good stretch of games like Houser did sucks for a rebuilding team. I know his peripherals weren't great but they weren't alarming either. Sometimes getting doubleplays with a good sinker and GB rate is better than wasting pitches getting K's. That hurt Cease . Lots of K's but too many pitches with the walks he allowed. Also Houser had a better FB than in the past because he made a commitment to his career and the health of his body that he hadn't done before. Maybe it was the Twinkies that doomed Moncada. No one could force Houser to take better care of himself. That part of development is all on the player. Can't be burning the candle at both ends stuffing your face with crap. Takes 100% dedication to your craft for all but the most talented to make it . It's gone before most realize they could have gave a better effort. That's why teams look for high character hard working guys. At least if they fail it won't be for lack of dedication.

There's no doubt that former top prospects get more chances than guys without the pedigree. The feels angle is coming from a guy who just said he's getting sick of people here having hope and being positive and basically calling us all suckers because the team is still bad and JR was fooling us all with his dangling the carrot philosophy.

A lot has to happen for this to work out but I'm rooting for it. These other GMs just don't want to part with good prospects for a guy as inconsistently unproductive and consistently injured. They also don't like admitting they were wrong . I'm now rooting for the Rays because they took a shot on Houser.The rest of the teams can especially the Phillies and Mets can f*** off. I'm glad the Orioles fizzled out because of their refusal to trade prospects for Cease. They still have great young hitters though .

Do you boo the coaches for being optimistic ? Are we all supposed to be the same personalities of doom and gloom ? Should we all apologize for liking the rookies playing well ? Did you throw ups reading how thrilled people were yesterday in the game thread against the Phillies ? Is kind of sad all the doom and gloomers find it so hard to compliment positive things but find it so easy to rip things apart. Heck the Pope would lambasted here for being too Holy.

Another preemptive strike. Just cannot wait for it to actually happen. Hey I called the doomsday scenario 1st because I'm an unhappy Sox fan but if he does trade some of them I reserve the right to be unhappy about the return.

So that just means they aren't serious about winning the World Series.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him try his hand on the OF. He's not the fastest guy , about as fast Beni . 26.8 ft/sec for Beni , 26.7 for Sosa. Surprising sprint speeds after the top 2 Robert and Baldwin Tim Elko 27.8 Korey Lee 27.7 Kyle Teel 27.7 Michael A.Taylor 27.6

If your going to spend $20M there are better ways to spend it. Has nothing to do with JR. Plenty wish the Sox had signed some quality relief pitchers who are always hot commodities at the trade deadline but seems like that only applies to the high performance guys. I'm not saying I know where to spend it. I just know where not to spend it. The chances of Robert staying healthy enough and performing at a high enough level while making $20M to be a valuable trade chip seems pretty remote . If his performance over the last 3 weeks has convinced you otherwise we' ve been deceived by his potential way too many times to trust that he's anything but a bundle of talent in a too fragile body. This is not a Garrett Crochet situation . Maybe put that $20M towards trying to identify a couple of Crochet type talents who are making minimal amounts of money who will be available. We may have one in Grant Taylor yet people here were suggesting trade him before he has even scratched the surface of his potential. That's crazy. The Sox also identified 2 pretty good arms via the Rule 5 draft that didn't come close to costing $20M that may help the team for years to come. There is blocked talent languishing in other organizations that Getz is trying to trade Robert and Houser for right now. It's not my money either but just wishing the money is spent on 1 often injured player with no future here seems rather crazy and lazy. I prefer they make smarter choices with what little they are going to spend . I don't know who or what those smarter choices are to spend $20M on but I don't get paid to make those decisions. There's a whole world of players out there and I'm not going to pretend I can pick just 1 player to spend it on that will actually help the rebuild.

So what are you saying that you want or don't want Roberts option picked up ? It'll be moot when he traded. I already stated my case plenty of times that Robert wouldn't deserve to make $20M next year. There's practically no chance of doing it that will result in a favorable trade for the Sox based on his last 2 years of production and his massive injury history and what they would be paying him.

Well I need help dealing with advanced pitching stats so I'm learning more. Plus the last part of the podcast sounded just like the arguments I was making today about why you don't pick up the option on Robert. You take the best offer and don't look back. But we'll see how it turns out tomorrow.

Today's CHGO podcast post game show. Very informative info especially on Colson switch to the Torpedo bat.

I'm mostly writing but still here. watched the post game Show now watching the CHGO podcast show on YouTube hosted by Sean Anderson who does a terrific job providing information and where I got how the Sox data indicating Colson was a good candidate to try the torpedo bat . Since he tried it he got results right away and has been on fire since that 2nd game of the TB series. I'll post the link to the podcast . I watch many Sox podcasts regularly. Edit: I put the link in the White Sox winner thread since the game thread will be put in the archives tomorrow so more people can see it.

You know people are sick about hearing Schiffren talk about the Vargas hand placement. This is what's coming next. Sox data showed Colson would be a good candidate for the Torpedo bat. I think the 2nd game of the TB series was when he changed to that bat. Since then he's been hitting the cover off the ball. This is the new stuff they're using in R & D. Like it or not it's not the same old Sox. It is the same old owner but that'll change.

17 hits. 7 in a row most by any team this year. Two 3 run HRs in the same inning for the 1st time by a Sox team since 2018.

White Sox record since the All Star break 8-4 .

1st time there were 2 3 run HRs in the same inning for the Sox since 2018 when Abreu and Delmonico did it. Also 1st time this year any team got 7 hits in a row.

Jamie Lee Curtis at her finest !

🤣Up until that point they were both 0-3.

They're good maybe ?

Should've gave Baldwin the PH for Tauchman.

Beni says "I'm a mf Gold Glove winner y'all " !!

Yes it's been a while since they got that 12 run and 2 10 run games. 🤪