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You clicked the link I gave ? I thought I was blocked when whoever 1st gave the link put it up but I found a way around it just by scrolling and finding the down arrow I mentioned.. I've never subscribed to The Athletic . There may be only a certain amount of times per month you can view content for free. Once you surpass it it's unviewable until the next month or however they do it.

Sure if you want Moore to write better scouting reports for Christian players because he would rather they be drafted ahead of anyone else. Can he still be objective when he has religious beliefs that may cause him to be biased ? This is why no one wants him in any capacity. Team chaplain maybe if they have such things. More of a college thing.

It may seem simple to you but and to me the direction the Sox have to take. Maybe you should talk to @Lip Man 1 who is more a historian on how often Jerry has said he doesn't like to pay for youth. I just don't think you've been paying attention for the last 40 years. JR will not evolve. I find it hard to believe that someone under him has not suggested investing in youth and presented it in a way you suggest. In the Sox case there is only one person you would need to convince and that's JR. There is zero evidence to date that he doesn't think he knows best. Maybe read this too https://theathletic.com/4800567/2023/08/23/chicago-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-shakeup/ This is by Keith Law. It was presented as not being behind a paywall. I was able to read it but many complained it was behind a paywall. But when the screen comes up to block it there is a small down arrow to move the screen out of the way.

Yea giving JR way too much credit here. How much more proof do you need that JR doesn't care about the farm system? How many times do you need to see the Sox trade Int'l money ? It happened like 6 times already. Do they have a 2nd DSL team ? Have they ever developed a Dominican star player despite the DR being a hotbed of baseball talent for the whole time JR has been the owner ? I mean there is stuff out there that JR doesn't give a rats ass about developing youth. When he had the chance he spent on Robert and an older Abreu and now it's like Cuban and Venezuela are their go to countries. Colas was a prime example of another older Cuban who almost had to produce right away and he did for 1 year in the minors but was woefully unprepared for MLB. Have the Sox recently developed any pitchers ? Has Vaughn reached his potential, how about Moncada and Eloy ? They can't draft, develop , keep anyone healthy and have sucked in trades and Free Agency. The time to build the infrastructure was before the rebuild and it's never happened in 40 years of ownership and now he's going to do it ? The 2 are not mutually exclusive. JR and Hahn can both suck. If JR cared about spending the money according to anyone else's wishes besides his own he'd hire Click or someone from a winning organization and let them rebuild the infrastructure and get rid of the fat absorbing paychecks from years of getting too comfortable in their positions.

Yeah a sleeping giant if you want job security but that can't happen because JR is 87 .He isn't all of a sudden going to say "Yeah I agree we're understaffed and behind the times in player development and I'll add another DSL team and stop trading Int'l money and let's spend some FA money on actual superstars. JR may outspend the rest of the division on player payroll but way too many other teams are building from the ground up. The Orioles are currently better than any Sox team during the Championship window. All the Reds need is some pitching now. TB, the Braves and Houston made the most of their infrastructure but their systems have taken some hits lately. The Cubs bounced back pretty quickly and a top farm to boot. Even the Pirates are showing some life with their prospects. The Sox basically are a lame duck franchise right now.

That's part of the plan for selling and relocating. Sox fans won't support the team. Attendance will suck until they sell. No idea how much that would affect the bottom line to a buyer. JR and Co. are already way ahead.

Scott Servais really wants that 8th win in a row. Bringing in the 7th pitcher to negate the Sox potent lineup.

The rare Beni bomb

If you lose a ball in the lights or sun it's usually ruled a hit. Happens all the time in the OF.

Did it get worst ? It was pretty bad to begin with. I mean they took their 2nd best HR hitter off the team. Last year was it no one hit 20 HR's . This year you had 2 guys would were headed for over 30. Can't win with a whole bunch of guys who don't get on base and .600ish OPS .

But we knew it was going to get really bad after the deadline. The combined talent with Charlotte and Sox would be lucky to be a championship team in AAA.

A lot of placeholders currently employed. Not a lot of young pitchers worth bringing up. Just playing out the string with what they have.

Still time for the Sox to lose by 10+ runs.

That's just JR understaffing as usual. 2 positions to fill ? Fill them with 1 person !

You're not doing your job if you don't state the obvious. Same thing would've been said here too.

No doubt Hahn and anyone he relies on have done an incredibly poor job. I just think when it comes to trades/drafting/development and the people surrounding Hahn that the Sox are understaffed and don't hire the best people including scouts analytics types and even the equipment to make Hahn as well informed as he could be. Plus JR puts a lot of restraints on almost everything to do with acquiring and developing good young talent. There's not been many attempts to go after Asian players. They haven't ever had a Dominican star and that's quite a feat since the DR has been a hotbed of talent in the whole time JR has owned the team. I think JR's constraints are big enough to limit all aspects of the organization to a large degree. I do agree that there are GM's out there who could operate under the constraints of a JR owned team but maybe not someone with experience or a network of his own to get the job done. Plus if someone with that kind of experience is ever interviewed for GM he'd have to want to meet staff ,see all aspects of scouting and development and get assurances from JR that he could upgrade and get an increased budget even if at the expense of the payroll for players budget for a couple of years if necessary .He'd basically have to interview JR and get the lay of the land and convince JR that his current way is wasteful , irresponsible and unproductive. JR wouldn't hire someone like that.

If he keeps putting up WAR at the current rate since he left the Sox he could finish with over 4 fWAR . He's accumulated 1.1 fWAR in 17 games with the Marlins. I know that rate is unsustainable but it's impressive nevertheless. 1.4 with the Sox, 1.1 with the Marlins to put him at 2.5 now. A decent finish without a prolonged slump could get him up to 3.5. It's still too early to evaluate the trade properly though.

I agree JR is the #1 culprit . He decides how much to spend in player development, from hirings to budget. He sticks his nose into everything as is his right in the position he holds and he's the one conducting the interviews ? It's a farce. Until he makes fundamental changes in the way HE views how to operate a franchise that cares about things that Tampa Bay does then the franchise will be forever mediocre of worse until the team is sold. Even then there are no guarantees ,If Tampa Bay can do what they have done on a shoestring budget it can't be that expensive to overhaul the whole minor league system.

Looks like Eddie Gaedel.

Malarkey. Everything wrong with the Sox is on JR. Treat the drafting and development of young players with the money and scouting and coaches it has deserved forever. That is all on JR.

So is he now on a 10 game hitting streak ? Too bad the rest of the Marlins lineup had such a hard time with the Dodgers pitching. Eury Perez looked amazing in his start in the 1st game.

You know I understand doubling down on one's previous positions especially when we are a long long way from seeing how the trade works out. Early returns are way in the Marlins favor but what's a couple of weeks when we may need years to figure out how this trade worked out. It was one big leaguer with upside and tons of cheap control,which doesn't mean as much with a 27 yr old as it does a someone younger. There was also his injury history , defense , and OBP problems If his assessment of Burger was he is who he is or that the power numbers are unsustainable I could agree with that partially. Not the he is who he is part. I never thought that was true. Development is not linear especially when you miss 3 years of it. Burger would have to change his approach but he was always working on that though . If he wasn't he never would have got the 11 walks in July he got with the Sox. So now with the Marlins he's making use of how hard he hits the ball not just for long and max exit velo HR's but for using that high hard hit percentage to smash balls all over the field. Maybe it would have happened with the Sox or maybe the Marlins showed him something that has paid off right away. But for a guy to double down and now say he feels sorry for anyone who believes in Burger is even more arrogant than I can be. I don't need anyone's pity. I have strong opinions, positive opinions about Burger but I know his power numbers will suffer if he becomes a more well rounded hitter but he'll still be capable of big power numbers the better and smarter he becomes as a hitter. I also realize that odds are always in the favor of someone who predicts failure for 27 yr old guys who haven't immediately shown they understand an advanced approach. It's really playing the odds more than anything else while you spout off numbers. He really shouldn't feel sorry for us because we choose to believe he can get better even though we know the odds aren't with us but we have seen his attitude, desire and work ethic and yes even some encouraging results this season that suggests he really cares about being better. That's why so many people liked the guy. If Jake fails, I'm not afraid of being wrong and liking a player and looking at the positive signs of his character and results to come to a conclusion that he can be better than he had shown with the Sox, which wasn't so bad .

I meant no disrespect . You are one of my favorite guys on Soxtalk. But it was quite a popular thread and yes moving it makes people forget about it. Pale Hose talk is by far the most popular thread in Soxtalk. It may not take a colossal effort to click 2 times but I think most Sox fans either use Pale Hose Talk or Future Sox most of the time. It's more a matter of breaking your usual patterns than effort. I have no quarrel with it being a popular thread in Diamond Talk . You were just doing your job and sometimes I don't agree with everything Mods do. No biggie. Many people loved the Burger comeback story, his attitude and mostly his performance on the field and how he talked about actually using the things he needed to study pitchers at home and especially when he said it wasn't available on the road. I forget what the thing was called but I do remember Ozzie making fun of it on the post games shows as if modern tech shouldn't mean so much to players but it does when someone wants to improve as much as Burger did. Instead of laughing about it Guillen should ve been applauding his desire to use a tool he thought was very helpful.

AH you remember Stone Garrett was one of my guys too that I mentioned who would be good to take a flyer on but the Nats picked him up before the Sox could . He's got 1.5 fWar in 86 games . He spent time in the minors this year and might've had an injury also. His line with the Nats is .279 , .351, .473, .825. I would've had a good off season despite the usual guff you take for suggesting guys no one knows about. But ultimately I didnt think the Dodgers were going to trade Outman and it's doubtful the Sox wouldve offered Garrett an MLB contract like the Nats did.

Right I know he mentioned it butin case anyone that saw earlier tweet about 6 HR's and didn't notice the date on it, was aware he was up to 8 now.