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Well 1st, not sure any team wants to take on the whole contract and then give up a piece in the area they want to improve. Phillies spend a lot of money but maybe they rather give up Segura and his salary. They get their relief pitcher , they keep Dominguez, we get our 2nd baseman. Edit I forgot to add: 2nd, Do you really want the final trade for Kimbrel to look like this : Nick Madrigal and Codi Heuer + whatever we paid him to shit the bed , for a 27 yr old relief pitcher who has pitched 1 inning in the big league for the last 2 years with 3 yrs. of eligibility ? That ends up looking so so sooooo bad. If the trade was going to end up that bad why even pick up Kimbrel's option for 2022 ? I know trading Kimbrel for Segura doesn't get you the payroll savings but it may save you a prospect that you traded for Kemp (whoever that would turn out to be) who might be a 2nd piece in a bigger trade. A big trade is one thing you left out unless you count Keuchel. I know you dumped salary in both Kimbrel and Keuchel trades to make room for Scherzer and Conforto . I haven't crunched the numbers like you have so I know I haven't thought this through like you have and for that I apologize. Would love Scherzer but damn that's a lot to shell out for an old dude . Hard to speculate what he gets but I guess you are going off of somebody's projection. I do agree Sox need a TOR arm and one so reliable like Scherzer is hard to find. Just hard to imagine the Sox shopping in that stratosphere . I think if they sign Conforto, use Kimbrel's salary on Segura they'd circle back to Rodon and see what he costs. Don't know how that translates to our new payroll according to James.

But what if you could get Segura for Kimbrel ? The salary's equal out and you kill 2 birds with 1 stone. I know Segura has an extra yr. but its a club option (1M buyout) so I'm not really counting the 2nd yr. I know Kemp has zero track record offensively but he had a strong year but that year was last year and combined with his fielding and baserunning made him pretty valuable. Segura has a much better track record. Save the prospect by not trading for him or whatever Oakland asks for him The Sox absolutely have to get more for Kimbrel. Dominguez has been an upside bullpen arm for a while and if the Phillies take on Kimbrel why give up Dominguez ?

Didn't the Sox already pick up Kimbrel's option ? Pretty sure they did so apparently the plan is to trade him.

I was wondering how you see the Kimbrel for Dominguez trade. Do the Sox eat any salary? It doesn't seem like much of a return but maybe you can enlighten me on Dominguez. On the surface the return seems pretty light. Sosa for Kemp also seems pretty light . Sox would have to give up more. Kemp had a career year and has just become arb. eligible so has some eligibility left albeit entering his 30's.Kemp's been rumored to be on the block so Oakland wants to cash in on the year he had and I'm thinking L. Sosa isn't quite enough.

MLB history is a long long time and HWSNBN is still in his career infancy. Give it time.

And then when they do use it ,which is always wise when you have Marco Paddy, they dump the one guy they shouldn't have.

I think it depends on how you interpret the Kimbrel market. I don't think the Sox should wait too long before moving him if they think the market for him will be soft. Segura may end up being the best value they can get for him while it also fills a hole very competently. If you wait too long your options for high value for Kimbrel decrease and your other options to fill holes dwindle. Maybe you can't get Escobar for $10M and you also might have to wait for him if you don't want to pay what Segura gets. Segura also gives the Sox a little more versatility. Having a competent backup for Tim is important. I also like the higher batting average and contact rate. The bombs and being a switch hitter are important for Escobar but when you just need a hit or contact Segura is better at that aspect. If you can get Escobar early for $10M you better have a strong market for Kimbrel.

You just can't say no to Segura if he is the highest quality player to fill a hole in order to get the best value for Kimbrel. He's a pretty good ball player.

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Hey let's keep this dialogue going . Remember when you wanted Garrett Richards instead of trading better prospects for Corbin Burnes ? Good times ! Keep those psych evaluations coming ?.

You are so good at projecting how others feel . I'm so bitter and upset. ?. I don't believe for a minute that you had forgotten about your takes in that Burnes thread. That thread was reopened in September and I pointed out some good and bad takes including yours . The thread was then locked. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were the one who locked itbecause you looked so foolish.

Not upset in the least. You are pretty full of yourself . There was no false equating. I merely pointed out you both suck at it . Targeting good players while not offering enough in trade for them or offering them or offering enough money to sign them apparently means a lot more to you than it does to me. They were so good at evaluating talent that they thought he was worth a 2nd baseman and a relief pitcher that they then traded for a relief pitcher. Young starter with Cy Young ability making peanuts was worth an old relief pitcher making $16M a year who pitched so poorly they decided that Rodon wasn't worth a QO but kept Kimbrel and announced to the world they intend to trade him. If they never win a championship that kind of talent evaluating will likely be remembered as the deal that sunk the Sox. Offer enough for Burnes and they could have won the World Series this year if Milwaukee bit. Make decent trades at the deadline they could've won the World Series like Atlanta did. Keep carrying that water.

Madrigal too actually and Grandal for chunk.

Wasn't it Rodon?

So a trade that never happened is a way to prove the Sox can evaluate talent ? Pretty funny and ironic, that you said this in response to the Corbin Burnes trade to the Sox rumor which you were 100% against in many posts and turned out to be 100% wrong in everything you were afraid of. You and I had a discourse in that thread also and you rebuked everything I said yet I turned out right and you were wrong. Yet the Sox, in your book, get credit for being great talent evaluators when they couldn't make the trade, most likely because they offered too little. Then they turn around and trade the rumored centerpieces of that rumored trade, Madrigal and Heuer, for a relief pitcher Kimbrel who failed miserably .Then trade for a 2nd basement who also failed for one of the only minor league pitchers the Sox had showing any progress during the season. That's some mighty fine talent evaluation right there by the Sox and yourself !

If they sign someone even ,if it's someone like Tepera before Dec. 1st ,I'll perk up a little bit. I still think what we see is trades more than any major FA signing. This place'll be a madhouse if they trade off any more young talent but I don't see how they avoid it.

I'd love to tell you. You are an outstanding contributor to Soxtalk and a very enthusiastic Sox fan. Unfortunately I am in "wait and see mode" and I have already spread enough gloom.

Buehler and Urias had damn good years with the Dodgers maybe not Burnes, Scherzer, Wheeler type years but not far off either.

He could've said nothing about going after him but he elected to say that . He wasn't forced. So they did a favor to Boras and then he returns the favor and says fuck you to that favor when he said Rodon wouldn't have signed a QO ? Sounds preposterous. Fegan may be reliable but if you're talking about Nightengale since when is he a beacon of truth when it comes to the Sox ?

He didn't have to throw in the part about him potentially coming back but he did. He said Boras knows that. Sounds to me like they have other plans and if they don't work out they could go after Rodon again.

Hahn said "we made the assessment based on everything we know, which includes our needs and our other targets, that that wasn't an offer we were comfortable making at this time." He also said "We have not ruled out him returning," Hahn said. "He knows that. Scott knows that. We'll see how his market unfolds and what the options are for us over the coming months.

Ask Hahn. It's my opinion. You got yours I got mine. Last I saw he threw 99 in the Sox last game of the season. Would Rodon start that playoff game if there was anything wrong with him ? Would the Sox start him in a do or die game if he was injured ? I think I'm closer to the truth than you are. You share the medicals that say he is damaged goods.

13-1 rejected but some how Rodon would 've accepted it in Never, Neverland.

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