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I wouldn't be thrilled with a Verlander signing but they do need pitching but if Rodon does better for less money . Woo boy what a shit show that will be.

How great can a track record really be when 3 of the last 5 years he didn't pitch over 30 innings ? Sounds like a sure fire 21M contract to me. Rodon pitched like an ace for 130 innings in 2021. Last time Noah pitched significant innings was 2018. OK 2019 but he wasn't an ace by any stretch then missed the following 2 years.

But but the Sox have a plan . It's fool proof.

I guess we shall see how that plan works out . That trade deadline and LaRussa plans weren't really really stupid at all.

If Scherzer doesn't end up on a west coast team I'd be surprised.

Wasn't the 2nd half of the season expected from a guy who barely pitched the last 2 years. When you factor in Verlander's age along with him barely pitching the last 2 years wouldn't you expect around the same for him ? Maybe you would expect more from Verlander. After all he had 200+ innings in 2018 and 2019 . But how fast can a 39 yr old bounce back from 2 years off ? Rodon pitched 130 innings of ace quality . And with 130 innings under his belt, if healthy, wouldn't you expect more innings next year . It's an interesting question on who people would expect a better year from or who would provide better value or survive long enough to pitch in the post season Verlander or Rodon.

In the way I mentioned and the poster I agreed with it does seem odd. In the way you stated it doesn't. But if it's Jerry's MO can you name another time he paid top dollar for an ancient starting pitcher who hasn't pitched in 2 years.

I hope you are right. I want to have some of those posts that didn't age well. But as usual with any rumor it doesn't move me until it's official.

Does seem odd. Turns 39 in Feb. Basically same status as Rodon was when Sox signed him with 6 IP in last 2 years. Rodon never came close to the track record of JV but then again he was 11 years younger. Would be hard to justify signing JV if he cant appear in the post season for the kind of money he'll get.

They trusted it enough to sign him for $3M and got a steal. Maybe that means he put in the work when his back was against the wall or maybe it means he just finally found something that worked for him .

Lots of teams may jack up price otherwise I'd say 1 yr at about Noah's rate . Now I'll guess 2/55M . I haven't seen what the pros say about it. Any guesses ?

I think the cart is before the horse. You should pass a physical first then comes the contract offer. Why go through negotiations only to have that time wasted because you can't pass a physical. Physicals are usually just a formality but in a guy like Syndergaard's case I don't think so.

I wonder if this sort of thing is a loophole that is going to be closed. Mets give him the QO but if he cant pass a physical for more money in November he has a payday to fall back on . If have a hard time figuring out why a team can't get medicals or require passing a medical evaluation before they are signed. No one wants to sign damaged goods. This would apply to every player but especially players coming off a lot of lost time due to injuries like Noah , Verlander and even Rodon .

I saw I got a laugh emoji for this so I had to check if Conforto signed with the Sox. No he didn't . So I laugh at your laugh emoji.

I thought of better healthier years to Eloy and Robert and Sheets being an .850ish OPS guy and getting intense instructions on playing the OF better. Some level of effectiveness from Kopech is a long way from giving what Rodon gave them. They missed having an ace in the playoffs and they need one to replace him. They are woefully short on pitching depth and not very good defensively. If the Sox stand pat, which no one expects them to do, Soxtalk will sound like 1000 banshees. I know you aren't advocating they stand pat, but being as good as 2021 because of internal options is almost 100% not likely to occur.

I'm with you 100% about not giving the Sox the benefit of the doubt. That being said, if Rodon signs the type of contract you suggest they may not look like complete fools if Rodon doesn't live up to the contract physically. Yes they don't get the draft pick but they just may have decided that taking the $18.4M gamble that he will remain physically sound was not worth the draft pick. If the Sox fail to produce a championship the Kimbrel trade may go down as the turning point in the window that led to the downfall. Unless the Sox can rid themselves of the Kimbrel and Keuchel contracts and then replace Rodon and Keuchel in the starting rotation I have a hard time imagining the Sox being as good as they were this year. I don't see Free Agency as the way the Sox will go , maybe with depth pieces but not any huge signing. I think we are going to see another trade that hurts be it Vaughn, Sheets or Eloy. Madrigal and Heuer may not have been on too many peoples favorites list and quite a few think neither was anything special but Kimbrel's performance plus his prorated salary last year and his salary this year along with the inexpensive services of NM and CH and the unknown effects of how Reinsdorf approaches the new CBA, sure have thrown a monkey wrench into things and may have started a chain of events that greatly impacts the desired championship.

I don't understand it. Sure he's been amazing in the past but the Sox got Rodon for $3M and look what we got out of him. He provided a ton of extra value which is the main reason besides the draft pick I thought he should have got the QO. Now of course the Sox have his medicals so not offering the QO could be because of that and the history of arm breaking down. I thought the Sox got as much as they could from him . But I also think had they been a little more careful with him and kept him at around 5-6 innings per start even when he was dominating and used the BP more he might've lasted longer . I really hope when Kopech is used as a starter that they build him up to 5-6 innings and don't go beyond that no matter how good he is pitching in any one particular game.

Agreed.

Highly doubt the Sox lock up anyone at all by Dec.1st. I don't see much of anything happening with the Sox until after the new CBA is agreed on whenever that may be. Conforto is Boras. If Conforto is expected to get near $20M for 4 or 5 years, he's not coming here period.

That's a pretty fair deal.

Your guardian angel will have to wait in line with PETA (regarding the bullpen).

You missed the part about Ron883 because Kike without the acute accent ( The acute accent (é) is by far the most common diacritic in the Spanish language. It can appear above all five vowels: á, é, í, ó, ú. ) is Kike which is a racist term for Jews which Ron883 pointed out to Caulfield because Ron gonna Ron.

Ron Ron Ron of course you turned it into a joke. That's how people took it judging by the laugh emoji. That's a lot of work just to type a player name on a non Spanish keyboard. I'm pretty sure his nickname has been typed dozens of times in the past on the board without anyone scolding someone for not taking the time to do what you suggest. Own up to it brother. It's just part of your running semi-feud with Caulfield.

Yes I have been on a message board with you and I know how you argue. I stick to the relevant parts of a post unlike you. Your argument about his being a rookie had nothing to do with the poster's and mines points about how much playing time he will get next year when he is behind Eloy in LF , Abreu at 1st and is the weak side of a platoon at DH , Of course I ignored your meaningless point about his backstory . I know the story but it wasn't germain to the discussion about where Vaughn fits in now. He's going to be great. I get it. I also got it last year .Repeating it won't make his performance any better or help the Sox win. Only getting better with consistent plate appearance will help the Sox win. The majority of people didn't think Eloy should ever play LF again when he was injured and were afraid he might hurt Robert. I was one of very few who looked at the situation objectively and said there was no way the Sox weren't going to play Eloy in LF when he returned. Yes ton's of upside, who here doesn't get that ? You don't win banking on upside . The upside has to be realized or you take a seat when there is a lot of talent performing better vying for that playing time.

In case I ever have the desire to type Hernandez' 1st name without you turning it into a Jewish joke how do u get the little thingy over the e ?