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Yes they are locked up and if you think we can win a World Series this year and next waiting for one of Cease , Dunning, Kopech, Lopez ,Rodon , Crochet to greatly contribute to 20 and 21 I respect that. But if they dont and you have to compete on the open market for the few quality starters available with Jerry holding the purse strings tightly, I'm more inclined to take my chances now at a cheap guy for the 2 years rather than wait for the young cores years to slip away waiting to internally find another 1 or 2 SP.

Gotta give to get and we'd still have Cease Dunning , Lopez, Stiever, Thompson and Dahlquist and more importantly 2 great chances to win this year and next year and no need to pay big bucks for a starter if Kopech isnt ready again . Value World Series dont over value Kopechs perceived instant ability to contribute after 2 years off

Ok I'll put you down as one of the 50 % who would hate it until we win this year or next years World Series.

That would be a good offer. By that I mean half the board would hate it. 25% would love it and 25% would think it was fair.

I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of Vaughn being almost ready was a sly thing to prop him up for the trade deadline.

Yeah I'm hoping he is though to Texas Call him a co headliner depending on a 2nd piece.

James doesnt expect to get Lynn free I'm sure You cant want Lynn and expect to give up nothing.

The team is already very young but playing wining baseball. Madrigal and others represent a continued stream of success . But we have to weigh the future chances against current chances. Pitching wins championships especially when you already have a good but young BP and good hitting and lead the league in DRS. Keep as much pitching as you can and if have to deal some then choose among Lopez and guys who are further away. Keep Cease and Dunning. WE will need them after 2021 when Lynn is gone with hopefully a World Series ring already on their fingers.

Thank you James exactly my point. Take you best shot at Lynn and see what happens.

Those things seem very hopeful for Madrigal especially the stolen bases. Why wait on anyone when u can win now and next year ? The window is open .We are making the playoffs and maybe just a good SP pitcher away from a very serious shot to win it ALL this year. It's not a short shot at a World Series. Trading Madrigal and other non essential pieces for Lynn improves short term chances dramatically and doesnt do anything to hurt long term chances either.

Protesting for a good cause means a lot more if you arent doing it when its convenient. The NBA players dont want to play during the pandemic . So even if you truly want social reform then do something. Not playing basketball during a pandemic and disguising it as a protest of social injustice seems a bit convenient to me. The intentions are valid but I wonder if the same thing happens without the pandemic. Sorry if what I said was what the OP wanted to avoid. The baseball season has already been altered so much by Covid . Just cancel the season now and pay everyone accordingly and everyone can protest all they want.

Do you define a guy like Lynn as a rental because he's tailor made for the Sox, cheap and very good. 3 Cy Young candidates give us a real shot this year and next if we can avoid putting Cease in the package. The only question mark then would be the ultra young pen without Bummer if he cant return.

No I really haven't defined anything except he is not a run producer. That is something we should all know. The question is do u take a very real shot at winning 2 world series this year and next year without him at the very beginning of his career when he is still an unknown quantity. Comparing him to a HOF 2ND basemen has no bearing on his future. I'll take 3 Cy Young candidate pitchers and a chance at 2 World Series over Madrigals future every time.

Quite likely but having a shot at winning world Series because there are other teams want to win too is something a serious team has to deal with all the time. As you said the window is open. No need to close it now .Take your best shot. Who knows? Right now and for next year they have good chance before Vaughn and other prospects even can contribute. I find it hard to believe anyone who thinks it's a bad idea to trade Madrigal, Lopez and Mercedes wouldn't trade them for a good shot at 2 titles . I can understand if someone might not think it's enough to get Lynn. Then you dont have to trade for a SP in the off season and you keep Vaughn and all other good pitching prospects.

I agree with this but Lynn is a match made in heaven for the Sox. Only $10M a year for next year, less for this year , much less. So he gives you a shot at 2 World Series. Cheaply during the height of his pitching abilities . He's a legit Cy Young candidate this year. If him. Gio and DK all keep pitching like they have been that's 3 guys in the rotation who all could win the Cy Young. 2 legit shots at world series I'd take a very serious shot at that and trading a non run producing 2nd basemen wouldn't be a high price.

Ok no Madrigal . But Sox are still going to need another front line starter to give them a better chance to be World Champs THIS year and next hypothetically, unless Covid and social issues makes sports unplayable. All 3 are spart parts now. Maybe moving forward Madrigal is no better than Mendick , I like him but he's a singles hitter who would rather not K than take a walk. His running ,hitting and baseball acumen is over rated. He's certainly not a run producer. Outfielders will play shallow till he can drive the ball into gaps and down both lines or over their heads. I'm not hating on him I'm just not as impressed with him as many are.

Just a few weeks ago reading tweet about the Sox 2- 8 home record being worst in club history after 10 games. Are we over .500 now at home ?

I really dislike 7 inning games when a team like the Sox has a good bullpen and a lineup that can put up crooked numbers late in games. Just think our odds of overcoming late inning deficits are better than most other teams.

Well I know the concerns about him are legit because he absolutely is just tough to put on this team. Ever since the Vaughn rumors it's like Mercedes disappeared . Here you have a guy who took the long road to get to where he is now and old enough not to have concerns about service time who hit just as good if not better than Robert at the same time at the same level. Then theres Vaughn ultra talented top draft choice who hasn't played above A ball with obvious service time issues. Why in hell would he get brought up before Yermin ? Vaughn is the future not the present no matter how much we salivate for him. Mercedes is built for the present but he's a round peg without a round hole. Encarnacion isnt going anywhere. And even if he did Mercedes odds of making a good contribution to the Sox this year only move from impossible to nearly impossible.

Thank you Trev

I do because all 3 of those guys haven't contributed anything this year and Rangers get a non run producing decent runner and fielder . A starting pitcher who still has upside and a few years of control and run producing DH they can play right away to see if he can do as good as I think he can.

Ok I do have one trade proposal that everyone can hate me for. Madrigal, Lopez and Mercedes for Lynn. Flame away.

Blah to all this trade talk. Covid is just too big of a factor now and until it isn't dont make a trade unless you get a steal. It's hard to imagine GMs offering very much now no matter how many wild trades ex or wanna be GMs are proposing .

Anyone with MLBTV subsription can always watch it again. If not a subscriber but have a smart TV just use MLB app and you can see condensed game and recap highlights.

I hope Eloy never dances for dubs. He may pull something .