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They don't what ? Don't understand. Next year doesn't give us this years Avi. They could've beat TB's offer on him . I don't know everything about contracts but they could've gave him the same health based incentives or thrown in some option years in case he stayed healthy and broke out right ? I don't think he's particularly special. I think he has a lot more talent and tools than your average non tender guy that in a rebuild is very important to keep in mind. If the front office doesn't stay patient enough to believe in or anticipate some breakouts in guys like Giolito , Moncada Anderson , Eloy and Lopez then you end up missing a year of perhaps winning a very winnable division if you had just signed another starter another reliever and a guy like Brantley if you were dead set on shitcanning Avi. You also provide some hope that when and if Robert, Kopech Dunning and Cease arrive and do well the winning can be sustained. It's just a total lack of foresight from the front office that's just magnified when you look at Avi . I mean they could've said well hell we're arent going after Machado but we can spend that money on more pitching and others to show our youngsters we believe in them and maybe if enough guys come together quickly we can win the division in 2019 . Brantley was 2 years $32M, Brad Brach wasn't expensive. If not Brantley, Adam Jone was cheap enough to provide decent numbers as a stop gap guy in RF.. Jordan Lyles was cheap and doing well with Pittsburgh. Charlie Morton was doable. Blake Parker cheap and so far doing well for the Twins. Granted those are some of the correct moves and no one ever does that but you get the point. Forget Alonso, Jay . Machado and if the Sox sign the guys I mentioned they spend maybe a little more then Alonso and Jay cost and a whole lot less than Machado wouldve cost and you have a lot more financially flexibility and a better team this year leading into years when more guys arrive.

I understand you feel the same way as a lot of posters did. All I'm saying as is Fathom is that being patient in a rebuild might be one of the most important things you can do besides drafting well. Guys with as much talent as Avi don't come along often. You can go through a lot of Cordells and Tilsons and Palka's before you can find an Avi. Yea it sucks watching him get hurt and sucks trying to be patient but if you are in charge during a rebuild then being patient is a huge asset. As fans we can just scream DFA him , non tender him and you're right there with the majority.

So if I see you raving about Moncada, McCann Giolito and whoever I can say that to you too ?

It’s not just offensively that Garcia is contributing, either, as he has been one of the better defenders in the outfield as well. Not just the Rays outfield, any outfield. Garcia has totaled 3 DRS, which puts him among the top 22 qualifying outfielders in the game, despite having played a significantly lower number of innings with the glove. Furthermore, Statcast has Garcia rated at 4 outs above average, which is fourth in the majors (Kevin Kiermaier is first with 7). from https://www.draysbay.com/2019/5/15/18624814/avisail-garcia-tampa-bay-rays-2019 So currently he can beat you with his glove, his speed, his arm ,his power , his batting average and OBP. What do they call those kind of guys again . Oh yeah a 5 tool player. No problem Sox have a ton of guys just like him .

Sorry to see you taking heat on this. Usually it is me getting the heat for this.

Some times you come up with a gem. 2017 was a good year for Avi and 2018 he was starting to hit more HR's. He also was becoming an adequate fielder. Many times you see people here calling him a terrible fielder . Maybe that was true at first but it wasn't by the time he left and isn't true now. You will also see people here throwing around $8-10M for what it would've cost to keep Avi. Unless I'm wrong you can non tender a guy then resign him. As was pointed out by Moan4Yoan the Sox misdirected attempt to sign Machado by signing Jay and others are little things that sabotage the rebuild .Sox could've resigned Avi for Jay money and put in a few option years in case he got back to 2017 level or hit for less average but more HR's. You are in a rebuild and you get rid of a 27 year old who could still put it all together and replace him with a 34 year old who's best days are long gone ? Did the front office not think any of our young core could have breakout seasons and contend this year ? Yoan , Timmy, Giolito and Lopez along with the hitting of McCann and Abreu makes the lack of effort to sign FA's just look like incompetence, or lack of foresight and even worse you don't believe in your young core. Even if you non tender Avi and fail at Machado why not sign Brantley , a starting pitcher and another reliever in a crap division and see how it goes ? Yea he got hurt a lot and even though I had always supported Avi I was fine with non tendering him because I thought maybe we get Machado, or Brantley. Brantley gets hurt a lot too but there was no denying his talent and consistency when he was healthy. He's already got 2.1 WAR . Houston signed Brantley, Dodgers signed another always injured OFer in Pollock, Tampa Bay signed Avi. Those are 3 well respected front offices with teams in contention and in Tampa Bay's case a team that can't spend like L.A. Avi didn't need a wakeup call he just needed to stay healthy.

You want pitchers too or just position players ?

Just always seemed odd to me. That the Sox go dumpster diving for a boatload of guys Avi's age trying to find a diamond in the rough and the one they had who already had shown how good he can be is let go. Just because he was non tendered doesn't mean the Sox couldn't have beat the Rays offer which is loaded with incentives. I know most here wanted him gone but if you wanted what was best for the rebuild then everyone should've wanted him to stay. It's not like that was the 1st time Avi ever hit on 471 feet. Here's one that went 481. https://www.mlb.com/video/statcast-avisail-s-481-ft-hr-c1905556883

On MLB network today. So the morning show they were talking up the Sox and Giolito got interviewed. It does suck when we can't put our best lineup out there when on national TV. Imagine this team if Kopech and Dunning don't get hurt. Perhaps both in the starting rotation .

The common theme is they play a grueling sport. This isn't some 9-5 job where the bosses have all kinds of rules on how to do your job safely. It's a sport that involves running, jumping, throwing ,diving,crashing into walls, sliding, getting hit with pitches, and collisions with other players. There are no safety rules. What exactly is a training staff supposed to do to prevent injuries ? He tried to come back from TJ . That is not always a sure thing when you try to compete at a high level. The kid is only 22, to hear how he is disparaged as a non prospect is utter nonsense. Are Burger, Kopech and Dunning non prospects ? Kopech and Dunning will have to go through the same thing as Burdi and Adolfo , We can only hope they fare better because the training staff will follow the same things for recovering as every team does. Was Robert a non prospect when he couldn't stay healthy ? Robert is only a year younger than Adolfo. Maybe baseball players should play with all kinds of padding like football players do.

He was more like Justin than Shane. Sorry.

Did you ever have any kind of injury ? Did you blame everyone but yourself ?

Among many of the hot takes, yeesh, this place is becoming a cesspool.

You mean as opposed to the person you quoted who just says crap to get a reaction without any knowledge of Herm, his staff or no medical knowledge whatsoever.

Shouldn't that say out for the remainder of 2019 ?

Sure they have . Halfways to S, Patricks Day, Star Wars. Dog Days, , I'm sure there are more

Don't worry about it. He's Ku-batman

I do like this very much. I love the 80's. Good early 80's song.

We are not talking about finished products here. Actually not even talking about a guy who has been a professional very long.

Gio y Ritual De Lo Habitual !

Gio ERA now 3.65 on the season.

Nope he was released and Preston Tucker went to Japan i think.

Joel Booker ? Paulo Orlando ?

Yea I know but you never know about the others. Why have 3 when even 5 is better ? Hahn and Sox brain trust unlimited friends and family plan.

Maybe. WIth some FA's resigning with current teams it limits options and one option should be to get a great 3rd baseman like Rendon and increasing Moncada's value by putting him back at 2nd base. I'd like to think Moncada changed his approach and will continue to hit if he is put back at 2nd base. But we still have to see if he ends up the year significantly better offensively. That puts a better defender at third , you get a great hitter and you fill the black hole at 2nd base.