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And fathom come out of his corner jabbing furiously !

Even when he was healthy it's not like he got many starts in CF only 12 while Engel probably had that many in March and early April coming off his magical spring. Anywho it's not like it a choice between Mays and Trout,

I just remember thinking seriously so many prefer Engel over Leury ? But Engel got the starts from Sox management and continues to get them over Leury so I am still mystified.

I think the majority preferred Engel over Leury and when that was discussed a lot of nice comments about Engel came out so wasn't just one person. Unfortunately i have no recollection if it was its own thread or what. I would imagine its somewhere in March.

First thing I looked for this morning was an Avi placed on the DL thread, Wasn't there but now it is. I sure hope its not the go on the 10 day DL that turns into 60 days again. KInda blows that when he is showing the most power he ever has in a very short period of time that he reinjures the hammy. We can't have nice things.

Sorry just woke up and read it twice to try to get my cloudy mind to understand what you were saying. So it your scenario its no matter who trades for him they will be able to extend him so the Sox have to offer the best package for him. I just have issues with trade and extend propositions for impending superstar free agents. It just doesn't happen so, to me, it's just not a realistic scenario.

No way. I despise any trade where you give up a cost controlled potential superstar just for a highly unlikely chance of extending a guy. It's the one thing I repeatedly see on here that makes little sense. It didn't work for Samardzija. It was repeatedly talked about for Machado and you'd think we all know how unlikely that is but continue to see it time and time again as if the Sox are some kind of great negotiators who can somehow convince an impending free agent not to see what the open market has to offer. Give me a break.

He was drafted hurt right ?

I would be entirely against banning the shifts. Maybe it was a poor choice of words but banning or limited the shift wouldn't put more balls in play it would just mean that the balls in play would result in more hits. If anything the shifts should theoretically get more balls in play when and if hitters make adjustments . The game has always been a game of adjustments. The best hitters spray the ball everywhere . The most predictable hitters get shifts. Why punish the defense for playing where the ball predictably will go ? Start hitting where they ain't , If there are huge gaps on the field than learn to hit the balls there. How would you ban shifts anyway? Defenses have always adjusted to situations ,Double play depth means playing a bit farther back and shading up the middle. Infield in when you want to cut down a runner scoring from third. Outfields in closer when a sac fly will win a game while at the same time increasing the ability to catch a game winning single or a blooper. Outfielders have also always shaded in one direction or another. If a second baseman is playing in shallow right field and the SS right by 2nd base because some lumbering slow guy who only pulls the ball is up more power to them .

I thought a trillion to one was sufficient though the thought did occur to me to add a few more zero's.

Makes you wonder if that HBP was some kind of "welcome to the AZL". Would like to think that it wasn't but you never know. The last thing the Sox need is to have more top minor leaguers hurt and according to the tweets that followed Steele is hurt.

My odds that Tim moves to the OF at some point 1 out of 5 . Odds he moves to catcher 1 in a 1,000,000, 000, 000, 000.

I can't find it in my heart to say one bad word about Jose Abreu. Congrats to him and may you break out of your slump with a wrath so furious that it silences all critics.

I just don't consider signing guys who aren't in the contention window a waste of money. You do know guys can be traded right ? You need good players to get good players and when is a better time to spend when your payroll is low ? If we had Moose or JD how would they look as trade bait right about now ? Maybe later you'd like the Sox to trade guys who have the talent of a Jimenez or Cease or a Torres like the Cubs did ? The Sox need a ton of talent we will always be wasting some of the good young talents cheap years as we go.

My whole point was just because you suck doesnt mean you cant have good players on the roster You can't fill every hole at once. Look at the Sox now. Hitting , bad, defense , bad. starting pitching , bad, bullpen has actually been a bright spot but about to get bad unless some of the fill in do better. How far away are most of your minor league players? 1-2 yrs or more . You wanted to be much better next year . How is that exactly going to happen ? Won't anyone they get still be a waste of money on a bad team ? You talk about certain positions being full already ? Full of what ? A bunch of question marks . Not a single guy we can honestly call an All Star . We are so far away from winning the division its frightening and even father away from winning a World Series. We need a roster full of good players and we don't even have one. Just wave the magic wand and it'll all be fine in 2019 oops 2020 oops 2021 oops 2022.

Since returning to action from the disabled list on June 22, Garcia leads the Majors with the highest hard-hit rate per Statcast™. Garcia's percentage checks in at 63.4 for balls hit with an exit velocity of 95+ mph, leading Nick Markakis (60.5), Manny Machado (60) and Hunter Renfroe (60). Garcia has erased a slow start with a .339 average, 1.123 OPS, six home runs (now 7*) and nine (now 11*) RBIs upon getting healthy. From Merkin on whitesox.com * added by me

Nick Delmonico was back in action DHing w/ Birmingham last night going 0-2 with 2 K

Balta you re a great poster who analyzes many things accurately but sometimes it seems like you are playing both sides of the fence and expect things to work out in perfect fashion if they stick to some magic script of rebuilding. You expect the Sox to spend money this off season right ? You have said that before and you want heads to roll if they don't , correct ? I'm just asking why do you insist that all the guys you mentioned in your list all needed playing time ? Is Tilson, Delmonico, Davidson, Cordell, Leury, Engel, Sanchez all so highly thought of that losing any one or more of them would have been so terrible. Sure you want to see them develop but realistically they are all nothing special and thats where tough decisions have to be made. If one comes back to be a good player some day so be it. That also is going to be a part of the rebuild process. Sometimes you just have to go off script when opportunities present themselves such as this past off season. I think you have to add good players when you can either to flip or keep. You want some good free agent(s) next year, Some want to wait longer . At what point when these guys refuse your offers do to start to get really worried ? The youth will only carry you so far and as of now there are tons of holes filled with guys who we are giving chances to that just aren't producing or developing. Outside of Jimenez and Kopech and a few relievers do you actually expect to be good enough to play on a great team ? Most of the talent on the farm is still at least a year away . Then there will be the growing pains .It just feels as if the timeline for success keeps getting pushed another year away. This past season I wanted Moustaskas and JD Martinez . I think i made decent choices depending on what the Royals get for him if traded at the deadline to see if its considered better than the draft pick we would have lost for him. I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong but everyone has in there heads rebuilds go step by step according to some grand plan when I think improvisation once in a while isn't so bad.

Sox sure have given up a ton of runs in the 8th inning recently Including that 8 run inning and now this 7 run inning.

That still leaves guys like Moncada Kopech Cease Rutherford Dunning Giolto and Basabe. Noyt a lot of position players in there if you were thinking more along those lines.

Better than Eloy ?

You notice I didn't once mention Giolito once right ? So telling me you don't cut bait on him is preaching to the choir. Just saying he pitched very well at a high level . Just because he pitched better than Kopech doesn't mean I rather have him than Kopech but it means he does know how to pitch whether the stuff would ve translated we all kind of doubt it but scrap heap finds are all part of the process.

I think it was 90% a money choice. I'm sure he's getting a lot more money in Japan than he does in the minors. He's not getting younger and I'm sure he realistically knows his chances of getting a ML salary are slim.

We also want to get value from the guys we end up dumping if we can. I'm not advocating anything drastic just saying would have been fine with me if Roach got a shot but we'll never know and that's OK too. There's a lot of names on the team now who will be gone including plenty of the guys who play mostly every day and those in the starting rotation. We aren't trying to win either so if you aren't trying to win it means you're OK with losing as part of the plan.

You could spin it another way you know. Finding diamonds in the rough is par for the course for rebuilds. Sure chances are he'd end up bad again and his age definitely wouldn't make him a part of the future but if he pitched well enough could 've ended up netting the Sox something besides whatever they got from the Japanese team that got him. 3/4 of the current 25 man roster won't be on the Sox in 2 years.Hell maybe the same for the 40 man. Adding another one wouldn't be a terrible thing.