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Very nice ! Frazier changed his stance a little pointing his front shoulder toward right field. You could tell he wanted to go to right.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 05:25 AM) The same guy keeps winning. Like we're suppose to be impressed or something. pnoles one of the SSS groupies.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 07:56 AM) Anyone else a little unsure that Fulmer is going to not just s*** the bed in MLB? I know he's on a run of a few bad starts, but Ranaudo seems like the option fro a spot start to me. I thought he was on a run of some good starts ??

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) They haven't been moving "their better prospects". They have been moving second and third tier guys. Tim Anderson is here. Carlos Rodon is here. Tyler Saladino is here. Carson Fulmer is still in the system. Steven Adams is still in the system. Semien, Montas and Trayce Thompson seem to disagree since Semien has 19 HR's, Montas is still in the top 100 prospects despite injuries and not even pitching. Might make a case for Thompson but probably don't need Jackson if we still had him and he has more HR's than Abreu. Their slugging, OPS, and OPS+ are all pretty equal despite Traces' low batting average. Semien has a better SLG, WAR, and OPS than Frazier. But if Frazier is supposed to be our best hitter Semien has been at the very least his equal this year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) Actually responding to Southsider2k5's list of remaining "young core" guys, but good response! And yeah, also the idea of Saladino as a centerpiece of anything. He can be a piece, with Fulmer. That said, you leave yourself having to go out once again and find another 2B unless you're a huge Carlos Sanchez fan. Why would they need another 2nd baseman ? Lawrie would still be here and Sanchez as a backup isn't bad, But I did also mention Steve Pearce as a supersub since he has been playing infield positions for TB. And umm SS2k5 never mentioned Saladino in a trade for Lucroy. Just mentioned him as a core guy.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) Beckham and Flowers are a combined 5 for 8 with three RBIs, lol. I guarantee you there was never a game they combined for five hits as White Sox. Ridiculous, Sox scouts take a bow. You are ridiculous.You and your scout kick you're on. They recently played for the Sox. Don't need scouts to know them just like Flowers running the meeting with the Braves hitters.But it really doesn't matter if Sale was right.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 07:27 PM) Would anyone be shocked if the Sox get swept? Yes

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) This is flat out embarrassing. Beckham and Flowers, who were so bad on a regular basis as White Sox that it was a travesty, are murdering the Sox as members of the Atlanta Braves. Guess the Sox scouts are so bad they don't even know how to get those two stiffs out. Amazing. The scouts weren't pitching to them.

At least now I don't have to sleep to have a nightmare. The Braves, Beckham and Flowers lighting up Sale is doing that while I'm awake.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Were you including Tyler to be facetious, or you're really more confident in him this year, compared to last? Capable of putting up a better season than, let's say, Marcus Semien's 2016 so far? As to earlier posts about Saladino being a centerpiece for Lucroy, that's borderline crazy talk. I suppose you are referring to my crazy talk about Lawrie or Saladino plus Trey M, and C. Hawkins to which I quickly admitted Fulmer would have to most likely be in any deal for Lucroy. So I beat you to the punch on discounting my own idea though it never was Saladino as a centerpiece since Lawrie was the original choice. I just have a hard time figuring out what 1.5 years of a guy is worth. Always seems like too much to me like with Samardzija. 1 year for all those years and players given up seems so very very wasteful. Or even the 2 years of Frazier and Lawrie . I'm not quite a hero worshipper nor a prospect guy. Just try to find the fine line on when exactly is the right time to give up many years for a year or 2 of a decent player. Prospects run the greater risk of flopping than the veteran which is balanced out by the prospect(s) having time to improve . I tend to think organizations give up too much for rentals but that's me. Winning instantly has its own reward to those who have a chance to do it. I then changed it to Fulmer , Saladino + or ++ for Lucroy and Tyler Thornburg in subsequent posts.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) I know the White Sox will be mentioned with Reddick, Bruce, etc in the coming weeks. If they miss out and even if they don't, Steve Pearce would be a great acquisition and probably won't cost a ton in return. He can play the OF and DH. He'd be the perfect platoon partner for Morneau. It's only 48 at-bats vs LHP but Pearce has 5 homers, a .514 wOBA, and a 233 wRC+. Overall, Pearce has a wRC+ of 153 with a .933 OPS. He'd be a great addition IMO. Interesting year from him. Hasn't played any OF and all IF positions except SS and C. Where would be fit in with the Sox ? DH platoon doesn't get him a lot of AB's . Put him back in the OF and IF as a supersub ? Scary having him in the OF but Sox have had bad OF's as backups all year. He's probably going to be traded so wouldn't mind the Sox adding him if his OF defense is adequate.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) I don't think Fulmer is untouchable either. I just don't know if I'd move him for 1.5 years of control. I'd rather target Derek Norris. But that is 1.5 years of very cheap control. Also maybe the Sox could get Tyler Thornburg as a reliever from the Brewers . He has had a pretty good year. While Norris is younger and has power the rest of his hitting this year has been sub par and we should be looking for an upgrade. He might make a good off season acquisition . Can't see dumping Navarro or Avila for someone who might not be any better except for the occasional HR.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) I doubt the Brewers want Lawrie. They drafted him and traded him. Saladino is just a guy. It would cost Fulmer + for Lucroy You're probably right. I don't think Fulmer should be considered untouchable . Cleveland also could target Lucroy since Yan Gomes has sucked bad this year and has more minor league bullets to offer. For the Sox to get Lucroy, Fulmer may be the only thing we have the Brewers would be interested in. Maybe Fulmer, Saladino + then the Sox could get Pearce to be the new subersub/DH platoon with Morneu even though with the way Pearce has hit this year he should be in the lineup every day.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) Lawrie has arbitration still in 2017 so he wont be a free agent till 2018 Thanks, knew I was missing something since I was sure him and Frazier were signed through the same season. Missed that arb. year on BF.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) Lucroy is the person to add, he'd be a definitive upgrade that wouldn't take up a spot in the OF or the DH spot. The question is whether the White Sox have the pieces to put a package together to get him. Brewers need a 3rd baseman bad since they have to rely on Will Middlebrooks and even Jake Elmore. If the Sox want to be bold they could offer Brett Lawrie or Saladino . If Brewers took Lawrie ,Saladino probably become starting 2nd baseman. Of course doubtful Lawrie alone would do it.Maybe also offer Trey M.,Courtney Hawkins. Lucroy is signed through 2016 with an option for 2017 and is still cheap . Lawrie only signed through 2016 so Sox would be gaining the extra year and better player hence the need to give the Brewers some controllable pieces also. Saladino isn't arbitration eligible until 2019 so maybe Brewers would prefer him over Lawrie.

In honor of the shut out of the Yankees the rock and roll song for the win is the Beach Boys " Shut Down "

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 08:43 PM) That's good. I thought something happened when I heard they pulled him for a PH. Flashes of Matt Davidson. Another 0-2 tonight . Lifted for a PR in the 5th.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) AJ Pollock was the primary reason the DBacks parted with Eaton, FWIW. Still not so sure you aren't undervaluing Peralta, though. How much would it cost for us to reacquire a 31 year old Junior Guerra, right now? Not sure his age makes a "must trade" as long as he's still in the prime of his career. Plus, the DBacks have been seriously disappointed with Yasmani Tomas. If anything's on the block, it's that big Cuban contract. Remember, those trades for guys like Eaton/Carter were under a different regime...not LaRussa/Stewart. Plus they took a TON of criticism for the Shelby Miller deal, in terms of the young talent they surrendered. They're going to be wary of committing the same type of mistake, undervaluing young(ish) talent. He's probably also the reason they parted with Ender Inciarte also. So yeah not sure they want to give up another OF . Just spitballing ideas and throwing out a different name people haven't suggested.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) I am down w David Peralta but he's going to be much more expensive than you seem the think. Maybe, hard to tell how much the D'Backs value him. He doesn't hit lefties very well and maybe that one good year was a fluke . After all he was 27 years old in 2015 so it's not like he will be a surefire All-Star type player for years to come. Plus the Sox seem to have a good trading rapport with the Snakes.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) Peralta from who the Diamondbacks? Yes David Peralta who bats LH is 28 had a breakout year last year but regressed this year and will be coming off the DL soon from back problems. It's not like he is that young or even that established, just had the one good year last year.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) Any update on Morneau? Pretty sure they just limited his action to 2 AB's to start off his rehab assignment . No reports of elbow pain or injury on the Knights website.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) I'm sorry you did. I thought Jackson wasn't in there my bad. Jackson also most likely won't be there next year so getting a controllable guy like Peralta is something Hahn has to take into consideration. Just depends on if he can play CF good enough to stick there since I have no idea. If he can he helps out this year and next in many different ways. 1. Adds LH pop to the lineup this year and beyond when we lose Jackson and Morneau. 2. Allows Eaton and Melky to stay in their ideal positions. 3. Helps the bench by adding Jackson to it as a PH , PR, defensive replacement and platoon partner against left handers 4. Should cost less to obtain thus perserving more minor league depth than Reddick, Beltran, Bruce, Braun , Gardner and Myers

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 06:37 PM) Beltran and Chapman are both rentals so I think we could get them. Just depends on what the trade market looks like. We'd have to sweep them this series obviously to put a dent in their wild card chances. It would essentially gut the farm of whatever we have left not considering the guys we just drafted. There is going to be a huge interest in Chapman. Red Sox , Rangers, Dodgers all have deep systems . Sox just got nothing to offer that wouldn't put a huge dent in an already pretty barren system.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 4, 2016 -> 06:11 PM) What about Reddick to LF and Melky DH? That is if Morneau isn't tearing the cover off the ball. Reddick has been the guy for me since April. Isn't that what I said ? But I also said in a World Series either Melky or Reddick or Ajax goes to the bench in games without the DH and Eaton goes to CF. Would hate moving Eaton to CF after having him play a premier RF all year. Anyway, I mentioned Peralta because if he is a decent CF he could move Ajax to 4th OFer against lefties and he is a good LH bat if his injuries are behind him and he is ultimately more obtainable over guys like Beltran and Bruce both of whom would not be ideal to stick in the OF. Much prefer a LH younger athletic type OF with decent pop who could turn Jackson into a late inning OF replacemrnt which we have lacked all year . Maybe Peralta turns out to be a 1 year wonder but he still crushes righties. I just have no idea how good he is in CF but he's gotta be a better OF than either Beltran or Bruce and Eaton then stays in RF.