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Wasn't Osuna lights out statistically against leffties ? If so Robinn PH 2 lefties was playing right into his strength. Eh not much to go on LH .164 RH .200

Everybody put on your rally caps.

Abreu

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) 6/27/15 White Sox @ Tigers Adan Eaton "Spanky" (6 pts): Condor13 Alexei/Bacon (4 pts): Jose Abreu "Cuban Crusher" (1 pts): Avi (3 pts): CaliSoxfanviaSWside LaRoche (2 pts): Melky (4 pts): Connor (4 pts): Flowers/Soto (3 pts): Sanchez/Emilio (6 pts): Bench (8 pts): Noone ( 1,000,000 pts ): hi8is

That's one thing you'll never hear me say it that's there's no effort . Yes I will say they have no shot at the playoffs and they have underachieved but never that they don't care. I'm in no position to judge their desire no matter what you might think you see on TVduring the game. There's just so much more that goes on we never see as you so eloquently pointed out.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) Are the Sox getting good? Are they going to get me to believe? Can they win 15 out of 20 and make a little noise? If by good you mean setting a franchise record for most consecutive home games with 4 runs or less scored (23) then yes they are awesome.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 07:18 PM) Very disappointing number. But playoff atmosphere nonetheless. Crowd was great. I agree pretty disappointing. But so was the number of pages in the game thread. People just don't show up for teams that are bad even if all they have to do is open their laptop. Papa John won't bother with the score 5 runs promotion next year.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) The way I understood it was the Yankees were referring to Hamels and Cueto according to this quote from mlbtraderumors. From that same piece, Marchand also notes that the Yankees aren't likely to obtain an ace starter like Johnny Cueto or Cole Hamels "unless prices drop significantly." Imo, the Yankees are very much interested though I have not seen anything directly related to Samardzija. I'm sure the Yankees are interested but if they think they can dictate the price well you come right back at them with thsi team offered us so and so for him. You must top that. Especially if it's team in the Yankees division.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) 23rd consecutive home game the White Sox have scored 4 runs or less. A team record. Viciedo for Melky please. Melky is only hitting .558 vs. Buehrle lifetime accordimg to our Chuck. The game definitely lived up to the hype. Not enough ks for Sale but I am sure he would rather have the win. If Sale never struck out another batter but the team won all his starts you know damn sure he'd take the wins.

That's what the Sox have been missing all season, an extra base hit with 2 runners on.

Um shouldn't Sanchez be pinch hit for at this point in the game ?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) Some in the past have brought up the angle that trading all the free agents you just signed would give the organization a bad look for future free agents. I don't know how much of an effect that might have, but it is something to consider. Might or might not have some effect. But I don't think so. Money talks for free agents for the most part . Plus they traded for Shark and I'm only advocating him and LaRoche as strong possibilities to be moved . Robertson not so much or Melky unless they think the deals are too good to pass up. Duke is also a candidate to be moved because Albers and Jennings will be back soon with Nate Jones also a possibility and Jesses Crain as a longshot possibility and possible Sept. call up of Montas or Rodon moved to the pen if he approaches his innings limit. But realistically I'd be shocked if the Sox didnt trade at least one of those guys. Shark highest on the list.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) If they are on longer then a one year contract, and NOT getting a have to do it type of return, yes. Ok then so you agree on Smardz should be traded but LaRoche on his 2 year deal since he doesn't have to be traded , don't trade him ? You really want him at another year older and his terrible stats against lefties in the lineup another year ? You don't think some NL team might not want to have him back in his element in the NL or the Sox don't care about that $13M owed him next year ? Getting rid of a 35 year old in decline with more than $13M owed to him at this time is panic or isn't in the Sox plans ? Moving him might not get all the money owed him off the books but fine sure its a very panicky move .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Completely reversing course? Yeah, that is panic. No if it's a good plan and disaster strikes it's a contingency plan. You really think trading Shark and LaRoche is completly reversing direction ? I might agree if they got rid of every new toy they bought but I doubt that'll happen but Smardz and LaRoche are very very real possibilities.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Oh OK. Gotcha. Just my opinion but the Yankees and Dodgers make the most sense. The Yankees don't act like they belong in the World Series every year now that George Steinbrenner is gone and his son is in charge. With old George in charge heads would roll , trades would be made and they'd overpay because they are the Yankees and anything short of a World Series win is not acceptable. I've seen they are already balking that they won't make trades unless the asking prices come down. Now whether or not that includes talks with the Sox , no idea , but it's sure not the Yankees of old we're dealing with.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) The idea of a plan is to give you some guidance. If you panic after a rocky start and abandon the plan then you never get anywhere. I agree we are disappointed with 2015 to this point. It's not panic. You see it year after year from other teams who surely had their own plans . You sell off pieces at the trade deadline when you're having a bad season and have holes to fill.I was hoping that for once the Sox could finish strong since the past few years they've been known for poor finishes but , alas, it's not going to happen . Shark and a few other guys are valued now by teams looking to grab the brass ring. Trading them isn't panic or abandoning the plan . Any plan worth it's salt surely has contingency plans for when things don't go according to plan.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) I can't believe Pompey still ranks that high. He's had a tough season. Stock is certainly down. Blue Jays FO loves him. We know the Sox FO does too but I don't think they could get him for a rental. Ahh but he's more than a rental . He represents the hopes and dreams of teams to win a World Series potentially being realized. Sox gave up 3 players ML ready players for him hopefully can get 1 ML ready player and 2 more low minors guys or 2 and 1 .

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I'm not impressed with anything Toronto has to offer and there will be other teams interested in Samardzija so I see no problem with waiting. Oh I wasn't saying take what Toronto has to offer now just trade him relatively quickly ify ou've had offers from 5 teams or so and you can play them against each other. Give it another 2 starts max.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) I know it's not the norm, but you can't ruin Sale's streak because of the weather. You just can't. Better hope for a rain out rather than some rain delays during the game then. A rain out doesn't ruin anything well except for 40,000 or so fans expecting to see the beloved ex Sox pitcher and the current beloved Sox pitcher pitching against each other plus the added bonus of Sale breaking some very cool streak of consecutive games started with at least 10 K's . Sale would just pitch tomorrow streak intact ,whereas rain delays could potentially ruin it. If it's ruined it's ruined, maybe we get a win out of it still. Just chalk it up to Murphy's law and the Gods of Baseball kicking their dog again.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) This may be one of those crazy, rain-delay games where Sale and Buehrle have to deal with four delays and they pitch like two innings each. So the weather may ruin the streak. In the season of Murphy's law for the Sox a huge drawing card of a game was bound to get rained out . Haven't you Gods of Baseball crapped on the Sox franchise enough during the past 100 years or does it never get old laughing and beating on the ugly step child ?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) Ok I can do better. Best return I can imagine for Quintana is Mookie Betts, Mookie Wilson, Kate Upton, 1996 Brady Anderson, and the Thunder God, Thor. I imagine we can send back John Danks' contract but also keep John Danks for depth. We'll also receive cash considerations and a bunch of IHOP gift cards to be distributed to Soxtalk posters in accordance to who has posted the fewest times complaining about Robin Ventura. Much better but where's Mookie Blaylock ?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) I would assume we have a plan from the front office. It only makes sense. If you look at this site posters seem to think the plan is to go undefeated and win the World Series every year and if we are in first place all year long then we start tearing the team apart and somehow start over for the next year. The players we have acquired in the past year or so have proven track records. They have not performed well in 2015. I think we have show signs of improvement and a wild card spot is not out of the question. No doubt we cn improve at some spots and I am betting that is part of the overall plan. You don't panic and abandon the long term plan. When the 1st year of your 3 year plan is a failure of such epic proportions things surely have to be reassessed. Now I have said in the past that the contracts given to Melky , LaRoche and Robertson and Duke are all semi short term and within that time period some of the Sox better pitching prospects and the SS Anderson and Micah and Sanchez may be ready to contribute to the Sox. I'm pretty damn sure the front office expected way more than they are getting from the players at this juncture. It was imperative that the team show marked improvement in order for the plan to develop .Without Robertson saving as many games as he has the Sox could be even worse. As many here have stated over the years a good closer on a terrible team is a luxury . It's great you still have hope but that's what your known for around here. But realistically the odds are practically insurmountable for the Sox to overcome. They need to hit way more home runs and extra base hits in order to offset the lack of walks and lousy batting averages and crappy defense and the inconsistency of the bullpen. Houston is in 1st place because they have power up the ying yang to offset those bad batting averages and a bullpen that has been pretty good. The Sox are last in extra base hits and near the bottom in HR's. It's just not going to suddenly appear out of nowhere. They also have no help coming from the minors as far as impact position players go. They have nothing to trade except pitching and some of the core pieces which they probably won't move. It would be beyond stupid at this point for management not to trade Smardzija . Even management knew that in case of disaster he would have to be moved. After all that's what rentals are for if you are not competing and it's time they faced the facts. The Sox are not going anywhere and Shark , LaRoche , Melky and maybe even Robertson may be gone soon if they get offers they think fit their "plan" .

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) Imo, as long as Samardzija continues to pitch well another team with better prospects to offer will be calling the Sox FO. Toronto can keep their prospects. Patience Sox fans. Unfortunately the more time that goes by the less starts Jeff can make for his new team. Maybe that makes a difference in the package offered, maybe not. But the more time that goes by the bigger the risk, Shark pitches bad or gets injured ala Jesse Crain .

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) WELCOME TO SOXTALK! Thank you very much ! As John Lennon used to sing , " I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round."

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) wow, I'm not a "jinx" person but can we not do this to Chris Sale... You clearly are a jinx person if you truly believe someone here is doing something that will effect the outcome of anything Sale does. We're just a few of perhaps thousands of fans talking about Chris Sale and his chances at winning an award.