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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 07:40 PM) That pass on goal #4 was just sick. Toews with the hatty and five point game, great win. If neither team gets upset in the 1st round, this is gonna be a great second round series. Amazing game . I know the Toews line got all the points but the the KAP and kid line both looked good too. Hawks are really good when they get their top 2 lines working. I wonder who they can get at the deadline to help the PK.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 06:27 AM) Reading this article, it says "He also got into better shape, dropping from 268 pounds to 258 at the start of Spring Training." Like it's such a huge difference lol Then you must have also read that he wants to finish spring training at 248. As one of Avi's strongest supporters I am pretty sure I had a post suggesting he lose some weight so I'm glad the Sox and him came to the same conclusion.

On the fun side of things Derek Holland calling Saladino Captain Jack Sparrow because of his mustache. Tells him I must ache you a question but I'll shave it for later .

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 18, 2017 -> 05:25 PM) I vaguely remember the play. Respectfully disagree on the team player thing. 25 Albert Belle's in the same clubhouse would never take the field because they would be brawling each before game time. Yeah, you aren't kidding! It's one thing to be an asshole but Cobb was juuuuust a bit more than that. He was on Cleveland at the time and he nailed Fernando Vina and actually he prevented the DP Here's an article about Belle Moments including the highlight of that play. http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/mlb-the-5...html/?a=viewall

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 18, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) I don't hate anyone but Belle is and always was an asshole. I spent alot of time at the Cell that year in what I think was called the lower deck reserved in LF. Belle was an asshole to fans as well as the Sox bullpen pitchers. Witnessed that first hand on more than one occasion. Then there's the stories of him being an asshole in the clubhouse , just ask Lofton and Thomas. No doubt Belle had an incredible year but Belle was always about Belle first and foremost. The prick always had a chip on his shoulder for some reason or another. As good as he was I was glad when he opted out. Give me a team full of assholes who can produce like that. Remember the play when Belle was on 1st and a grounder was hit to the 2nd baseman ? He went to tag Belle and Belle tagged him with a huge elbow . At the time loved it. Not sure the 2nd baseman completed the throw to 1st but the ump called the out for interference or something. Now that's a team player ! He definitely had some Ty Cobb in him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 08:13 PM) Let's go all out and put Jaimie Navarro, Jose Paniagua and Joey Belle up there. The ultimate s***-show. Why do you hate Albert Belle ? He had one of the greatest seasons in Sox history and then were able to get rid of him before he got hurt ? Win Win . In 1998 Belle had 399 total bases . The most Frank Thomas ever had was 364 . Trout and Willie Mays never got that high. Hank Aaron reached exactly 400 once. Pujol's high was 394. That 1998 season was a historic year for Belle.

QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) His retirement doesn't deserve an article or any pop and circumstance. :debbieDowner Is the highlighted supposed to be pomp or poop ?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 17, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) While we appreciate everyone's feedback we've decided to go in another direction, instead of highlighting the exciting young players in the org the site banner will instead be honoring heroes of years past. First up: White Sox legend Adam Dunn, i think all can appreciate his contribution to White Sox history. So we're going with the tongue in cheek banner ? Who's next Keppinger, ? Latos ? LaRoche ? Swisher ?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 16, 2017 -> 07:35 AM) Schwarber in the outfield will be ugly. He is a classic American League 1B/DH. Catching is out of the question, and he is a liability in the outfield. I think it would be hard for the Cubs to trade such a valuable bat at this point in his career though. Schwarber will be lucky to have a Mike Napoli type career.

I see how the vote is overwhelmingly for the kids ,however those kids will not be White Sox players to start the year. They will be Knights, Barons and Intimidators. Plus has Q ever been on the banner ? I think he deserves it, even if it lasts a very short time ,as a gesture of appeciation for his body of work and professionalism' I love the new blood but it's a White Sox banner so guys who are on the 25 man roster should be on the banner. The kids will have plenty of time on the banner if they pan out.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) It would be shuffling madness to put him in the pen to soon. There is no reason you can't pamper him this year and if he is still dominating he would be able to fetch highly regarded position prospects. Supply/demand stuff could work out...unless he has locomotive breathe! I didn't know this would become a thing in the thread. But I like it.

QUOTE (pablo @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) This is a complete side note but have found it funny ever since the winter meetings. What is up with RH always saying "if we had our druthers..."? It's got to be the fourth or fifth time I have heard him use it since the Eaton deal. Can he come up with something new? It's getting to the point where it's a tad bit annoying for me. Perhaps he liked the comic strip Lil' Abner as a kid.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) In fairness to Moncada, Benintendi moved up more than he moved down. I understand that. I said myself if I had to choose it would 've been Benintendi over Moncada but since the thread is about the Baseball prospectus list which ranks Moncada at 5 it's not just Benintendi. I don't think Moncada has been a universal #2 pick on the other lists either though I am not 100 % sure of that.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Zero That is the first list that I have seen placing Crawford above Moncada Seems very odd that the players we think the Sox have targeted have moved up on a lot of these lists ( Meadows, Tucker, Marte, Keller )while the guys they acquired are moving down (Moncada, Giolito).

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) That's another one of those glass half-full vs half-empty type stats. Q has that reputation to an extent, but I think that is mainly just Sox fans who have watched him w/frustration over the years. He has 1 complete game I think for his career, which is what I think people mean. It's a very "Q" type statistic because it just reinforces that he isn't great, but he is consistently good. His extreme's, in this case, like a pitcher who throws a CG or gets bombed before the 4th inning don't exist and he settles in the middle with several "20 out" outings. Similar to the rebuttles to his WAR argument. Which is that, sure "over the last three years he is a top 10 WAR pitcher" but he has never finished top 10 in a season (at least per BR). Once again, it demonstrates that he is very good and consistent but he lacks the upside to be "elite" in the eyes of other organizations. Or it at least gives them ammunition/leverage for negotiating his trade. Someone recently posted that they had potentially 20 guys they'd be willing to take ahead of him and that person was likely correct. Whether we want to ACCEPT it or not is entirely up to you, but there are 20 guys out there that are either already better or have more upside than Q. Most teams, right or wrong, will lean towards the upside at the level where Q is. They can "fix" the flaws for that guy to reach his potential being the logic. So while that is a nice stat, and I, personally, think in today's day-in-age with bullpens this should increase his value to teams. You also mentioned it was Sale + a bunch of guys at 20 in the AL. Depending on what "a bunch" means and how many guys we add from the NL, it may be less important than we think. I'd imagine there is a lot with 19 as well. Which circles us back to the "upside" debate that teams will make there. 1 more out everytime, or the potential to go 9 good ones when it counts. I wish I could respond in a more accurate way but I cannot find any stats on the outs per start thing. I saw it on MLBN and I cannot actually remember if the stat was for the AL or all MLB . I just saw Sale at the top with 21 and at least 5 guys tied for 2nd at 20 which included Q. Without belaboring the point it's just another stat to show that if you think Q is not an elite pitcher and we can argue that all day , one thing is clear . When you add up all the positives and there are many to be sure., he is an elite VALUE and that is the point of the matter. How valuable is a very good , never injured, youngish, inexpensive guy for another 4 years ? Whether or not he is elite on a year by year basis isn't really the point. When injuries can devastate teams, payroll cripple roster moves, inconsistencies from year to year baffle your team mates and front office Quintana is and most likely will continue to be that guy you can count on to give your team things that will put your team in the playoffs if surrounded by a near playoff caliber team. Quintana is without question an elite value and pitcher when you add up all the things that matter.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 05:54 PM) The conspiracy does not exist. It is a figment of imagination. How many players did they acquire this offseason on major league contracts? If they weren't truly rebuilding something more significant than Geo Soto would have been acquired and even he isn't on the 40 man yet. You mean Derek Holland, Dylan Covey and Geo Soto aren't being paid to put the Sox over the hump and into the playoffs ? That's disappointing news.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 07:30 AM) It will be interesting to see specifically what happens to Chris Sale over the next few years. Sale may believe 100% in Schneider's method and would be foolish to change it. On the other hand innings and wear and tear pile up so even if he has a major injury there wouldn't be a way to pinpoint why . Time has proven Herm's method as reliable but like everything else not foolproof .

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) As a fan it's kind of hard to know what to make of injury concerns like that anyway. If it means he can't stay past the 5th inning, then okay, move to pen. If they are like tim lincecum, I mean, ride it and hope they don't get injured. But what are you supposed to do with a probability like that? I think you just treat him like any other starting pitcher. You monitor innings increasing them incrementally each year and hope they build endurance. In Lopez' case he wasn't with the Sox last year so I am inclined to believe with the the big increase he had they will monitor him very closely. But with Herm Schneider and staff I like his chances at avoiding arm problems. That in itself might be the biggest reason why the Sox have traded for a lot of pitching. They know they are pretty good at developing and having less injuries with them.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) Stroman? He's a few inches smaller even. But generally I agree with you, but Sox should give him every opportunity to start. The Sox will probably be extremely careful with Lopez this year. Whether or not you believe in the Verducci Effect , the fact remains Lopez surpassed his career high in innings pitched last year more than anyone. The lines of communication between Lopez and the Sox must be 100 % clear.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Lopez is 6'0 -185 Pedro Martinez 5'11-170 There were a whole bunch of experts that thought Pedro was destined for the pen because of his size. That is why he was available in a trade, twice. In no way am I saying Lopez is the next Pedro. I am saying that pitchers can be great regardless of height and build. It'd be quite a bungle in the jungle to banish him to the pen too quickly. I see what you did there . Nice

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Lopez will more than likely end up as a reliever. Very few starting pitchers with his size and frame have held up as starters. I hope that I am wrong, but I still feel he could be a dynamic reliever for us Just remember back in the day people and baseball players were smaller and plenty held up as starters . I think it has more to do with 1. genetics and 2. mechanics. And 2 might be far behind 1.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Snot is running down his nose. ... while skating away on the thin ice of a new day.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) I wonder what offers for Weiters look like right now? If we are talking the cheap end, he is absolutely a guy worth taking a shot on. I'm thinking he signs a 1 year below $10M maybe in the 7-8 range , even less if these execs. take pitch framing very seriously.

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Levine said that he is hearing from our scouts that Lopez is the best of the group. They think he is the closest. I heard him say that yesterday and at first was in shock but then I remember who was the person saying it. Could be valid though. It could be valid. He's a smallish guy for a pitcher so there are questions about his durability but his repertoire is pretty good as is his stuff. If you haven't seen it yet here's a little video and story on that 11 K game he had with the Nats. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/196369140/re...in-over-braves/

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) My irrational love of Hansen tells me he still has the highest ceiling of all our arms, even though I know it's really Rodon and Giolito. Throw Kopech into the discussion too. Just imagine 100MPH on the black on both sides of the plate up and down in the zone hitting all 4 corners. Now that's a ceiling.