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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) Why would the CBA hold up a Sale trade? The only issue IMO is the luxury tax, and he doesn't make $30 million a year. Isn't one of the issues the elimination of draft pick compensation for unrestricted free agents ? If the Sox trade Sale or anyone else that the acquiring team has for a full season the current CBA says that teams is entitled to a draft pick when the player turns down a qualifying offer and chooses unrestricted free agency. So wouldn't this affect the trade value of Sale , Quintana, Eaton and possibly Frazier if the acquiring team doesn't get a draft pick when those player elect unrestricted free agency after spending a season or more with the teams they are traded to. Basically doesn't it make those players worth slightly less if the team acquiring them doesn't have a draft pick to look forward to when they walk ?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Well, substantially less than I thought he'd get. Possible backlash from teams overpaying for defense/pitch framing since it's pretty hard to keep a bad offensive player in the lineup .

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 08:04 AM) Just don't see what the Rangers could offer that bests the Astros, Dodgers, or Red Sox. I'd basically need Odor, Mazara, Gallo, & a couple of their best pitching prospects and simply don't see them moving two guys off their major league roster. Texas really blew it because they traded away a lot of talent to get Lucroy & Beltran. They could have probably built a package if they still had all those prospects. Well we have no idea what those other teams will offer or what Texas will offer or even what Hahn is looking for. If he insists on a piece from the 25 man roster to keep the Sox competitive everything changes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Not just holding off from us, no team would reasonably make their best offer without knowing the leagues compensation structure or how much Sale would bring in as compensation in 2019. This is one I cannot blame Hahn for not getting done yet. Or you could blame him if he had anticipated the CBA would be a problem this off season when things could have changed during the previous couple years. Sales value could be affected if the buying team keeps him and he elects free agency down the road and the buying team doesn't get a draft pick in return. And that situation will affect all the other Sox trade pieces too since they would all have a full year with the buying teams. Waiting for this particular off season to make changes could end up being a huge blunder.

Don't count out the Rangers also making a serious bid for Sale. Darvish will be a free agent soon and they'd like to max his last year by adding Sale and making a very serious run this year. The 2 horse race will have at least 4 teams running neck and neck down the stretch. This race has only just reached the 1/4 pole .

She did right to write that with tongue planted firmly in cheek otherwise as a Sox fan you might cry.

I'd like to see MLB Network stop using Phil Rogers as the Sox expert. Saw him on today as the expert after MLB Network did a quick 2016 Sox recap/what they need for 2017 and he called Omar Narvaez, Omar Nar Vase .

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) I wonder if anyone has asked Rick Renteria how many games he thinks he can win with the lineup constituted as it is, and/or what areas he'd like to improve, or if it can be improved....or can it win the division. I suspect he probably looks at Cleveland and KC and says boys, blow it up. But I'd like to know. He'd probably say something cliche like " I am here to do the best job possible with the players I am given. There's no way he would say anything contrary to what Hahn has already spouted.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) They are 2-14 with Matt Barkley. He has 1 job at this point. Don't win a game. Shouldn't be a problem at all with the drug suspensions and injuries. Bears will be lucky to not get blown out every game.

Just saw Hinostroza make a move around a d man that reminded me of a younger Toews. Hino got in alone but no goal. McDavid speed creating problems for the Hawks.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) God bless Todd Frazier. I agree with his assessment of the team and Sale. I hope the team signs Frazier this off season to a long term contract. When everywhere we turn there is bad news for the Sox Frazier is actually a ray of sunshine. When it seems as if no free agents want to come here, here is Todd Frazier telling the world the Sox are a team he wants to stay with . Bless his heart for being such a goodwill Ambassador for the Sox. We could use more like him.

Rick, Keep up the good work my man. If I had another term I'd consider you for .. for.. , well some sort of position. Remember, nothing in life is guaranteed ( well except the name of Sox Park ( haha I crack myself up ). Hey no me being on crack jokes back from you. Did I have a point to make ? Oh yea nothing in life is guaranteed so take risks ,be brave and stand your ground. Did I already say nothing in life is guaranteed? OK I did but that goes double with the new admin . Any who looking forward to throwing out the 1st pitch on opening day in 2017. Barack Obama P.S. f*** the Cubs

Sale should go to the NL because deep down the Sox don't want to see a Cubs dynasty , Dodgers or Cardinals .

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) I guess the way I'll feel when it happens (and now that McCann and Reddick are off the table it will) is that only the White Sox could be forced to trade a generational type talent because ownership and the front office were to stupid to put a successful team around him. Mark And ultimately too cheap. When you have studs locked up for years theoretically it should give you the payroll space to be able to do more , not sign a bunch of garbage.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) Behahahahahahhaha - dude hit like 295 with an obp of 350 or something with around 20DRS and what 20 sb at a premium CF position. Yea... f*** that throw in. ???? Yea might as well improve the pitching by throwing great defense out there after we trade Sale and Q. DOH !

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:40 AM) I wonder if Hahn uses these kind of facts when trying to trade him. Let's also amend this to ask if Hahn uses the Bill James Handbook .

*Brett Lawrie finished as the White Sox’ best baserunner with 12 bases gained, 11 of them baserunning (as opposed to stealing). The team as a whole finished -28, the sixth-worst total in baseball. also from the SSS article *The White Sox resumed shifting after a strange drop-off last season that might have contributed to the firing of Mark Parent. They doubled the amount of shifting (389 to 781), resulting in a surge in runs saved due to shifting (five to 17). *Avisail Garcia finished with the fourth-highest average with runners in scoring position. He also finished with the slowest time to second base on stolen-base attempts (3.90), tied with Alexei Ramirez. *Even with Eaton, the Sox were still below-average as a team in terms of Defensive Runs Saved. Eaton saved 25 runs in right, but those gains were erased in center field (-22) and left (-7). Shortstop (3) and pitcher (2) were the only other positions on the diamond that ended up in the plus column.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 05:58 AM) Thing is, Robertson had an era below 2 when pitching on 0 days rest, and an era below 1 when pitching on 1.....Things started getting bad when he had over 3 days rest. He gave up 13 runs in 12 innings of work when he pitched on 4 or more days of rest. He gave up just 3 runs in 23.2 innings pitched with no rest. 4 runs in 33.2 if you add in the 1 run he allowed in 11 innings with 1 day of rest. These numbers lead me to believe that he IS a workhorse closer. I suppose you could argue that it was these innings that lead to his problems when pitching on heavy rest. I wonder if Hahn uses these kind of facts when trying to trade him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. Well ,duh, if it was going well he'd be gone already.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 12:30 AM) Here's my off-season plan (full rebuild) for our beloved ChiSox: Trades: Chris Sale and Nate Jones to the Boston Red Sox for OF Andrew Benintendi, RHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 3B Rafael Devers, 1B Sam Travis, OF Luis Alexander Basabe and C Christian Vazquez. FINALLY! The blockbuster deal we've all been waiting for. Red Sox get their ace and power arm they're looking for in their pen. DD caves and gives up the farm in this deal. Jose Quintana to the Washington Nationals for RHP Lucas Giolito, RHP Erick Fedde, and OF Andrew Stevenson. The Sox get Giolito after the Nats can't close the Sale deal and get the Sox second ace to help their quest in another postseason run at a World Series which is why they give up the prized young future star in Giolito. Jose Abreu to the Houston Astros for RHP Francis Martes, OF Kyle Tucker, RHP Albert Abreu. The Astros get the 1B they need to infuse their lineup. They're interested in Miggy as well but Abreu is younger and cheaper. Todd Frazier to the New York Mets for 1B Dominic Smith and RHP Justin Dunn. With David Wright's health uncertainty, the Mets acquire a power hitting 3B they need. David Robertson to the New York Yankees for RHP Domingo Acevedo and C Luis Torrens. Robertson is sent back to the Bronx to give them a familiar, cheaper alternative to Chapman and Jansen. Melky Cabrera to the Arizona Diamondbacks for 2B Domingo Leyba, SS Jack Reinheimer and C Ryan January. Sox get a nice return for Melky from a DBacks team that needs a LF. Adam Eaton to the Los Angeles Dodgers for 1B Cody Bellinger, RHP Jose De Leon, and OF Yasiel Puig. The Sox land 2 great young prospects and a change of scenery OFer with tremendous potential. Rotation: Pen: Shields RHP Putnam RHP Rodon LHP Petricka RHP Gonzalez RHP Jennings LHP Fulmer RHP Ynoa RHP Rodriguez LHP Hochevar RHP Storen RHP CP-Burdi LF-Yasiel Puig CF-Charlie Tilson RF-Rymer Liriano 3B-Matt Davidson SS-Tim Anderson 2B-Tyler Saladino 1B-James Loney DH-Justin Morneau C-Wilson Ramos/Christian Vazquez Bench: 4th OF, utility IF-Carlos Sanchez, Backup C-Christian Vazquez FA signings: P Drew Storen 1yr $7 million. Sox try to fix Storen as the set-up man for Burdi. P Luke Hochevar 1 yr $4 million. Depth to the bullpen. C Wilson Ramos 1yr $9 million. Sox take a worth while gamble on Ramos who likely won't return till April or May at the earliest. DH Justin Morneau 1yr $5 million. Sox bring back Morneau to fill the DH spot. 1B James Loney 1yr $5 million. Sox sign Loney to fill 1B void. Lineup: 1. Tilson CF 2. Saladino 2B 3. Puig LF 4. Morneau DH 5. Davidson 3B 6. Anderson SS 7. Loney 1B 8. Vazquez C 9. Liriano RF Rick Hahn and the scouting department help replenish the Sox farm into the best in baseball by adding 18 prospects. It'll be a rough few of seasons but he Sox will be competing for real this time when they're ready. The Sox wipe the slate clean of all the veterans and begin the rebuilding process. Sox make some FA moves to fill the roster out in a rebuilding season and in hopes some of them bounce back and are able to flip them at the deadline. Flame away boys! I like the effort you put into it too much to knock any of the trades. However you did trade for Benintendi but he's not a starter in the OF ? He's arguably the best piece you got from the trades and ML ready.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) Lawrie to Angels for mid-level prospect is my guess You get points for the Lawrie guess but only partial points if it isn't a trade.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) He DMed me on twitter. I asked: Do you think White Sox wait awhile to make first trade. Merkin said: I think there will be smaller trades soon(ish). He didn't elaborate further. Whatever is going on with Lawrie, Merkin may have been right.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 12, 2016 -> 04:25 AM) Let's hope Detroit apparently tearing down doesn't cause KW to reconsider the organization's approach this offseason....Verlander to LA makes sense as well because of career opportunities for Kate Upton out there. VMart might be the perfect DH to replace Ortiz. CBA needs to get done. Once it's done more free agents sign with the rich teams who need to worry about luxury tax thresholds.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) Are any of those good prospects? Seems like Kendrick would be a decent bet for a bounce back yeard and he'd have some value at the deadline (more so then what the Dodgers got). Didn't you just violate your own directive that there be no discussion in this thread ? I am so confused.

Without Diamond Club , I think others are reluctant to start new threads for other teams signings but wasn't that what was instructed by Jason to do ? Any way Toronto has been busy since they also signed the younger Gurriel brother. Phillies also got Hendricks from the Dodgers.