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I know the Sox lost but it has always seemed unfair in a game like this that the visitors got 7 innings to score their runs while the Sox got only 6. I wouldn't call a rained out game like this a home field advantage.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) I don't think anyone has replied to this yet, but let's answer this and I'm going to use Danks's number exactly. Assuming the options are picked up, Sale has $40 million over the next 3 years on his deal. If you tried to offer him 5/$60, you'd be asking him to commit to the following 2 seasons at $10 million per. Fair market value for those 2 years as of right now is >$30 million. If you offered Sale 5/$110 right now, while tearing up his deal as of the start of the offseason, he should still turn it down because he's a $200 million contract pitcher right now. After this year, Jose Quintana has 4 years and ~$37 million remaining on his deal (some things kick in depending on where his arb status would have been). Offering him 5/$60 is adding 1 year at $23 million to his deal. I'd do that if he would and I think it would be silly for him to do that. He'll be 31 when his current contract ends, so if you start talking about adding >$25 million value seasons onto the end, that would be a sensible thing for him to accept. I do wonder if we'll ever see a team that has a "Sale-like" pitcher start offering to just add $35 million guaranteed seasons onto that guy's contract one at a time every year he stays healthy to see what happens. Keeps FA multiple years away and loads up that contract more gradually. That would be a contract innovation I'd contribute. With Sale if healthy his last 3 years are $12M, $12.5M , and $13.5M = 38. I threw out 4/60-75 but you changed it to 5 /60. So actually if it was 4/75 he could have a gradual salary increase from $13.5M in the last year of his current deal 2019 to ,$15M in 2020, $17.5M in 2021, $20M in 2022, and $23M in 2022. I know that is still a vast underpay but if you signed him to that fairly soon that guarantees the money for age 31-34 seasons when there is still 7 more years ( 3 on current contract 4 on my proposed one) to have an injury. Just as before you trade the security of a guaranteed payday for the risk of injury and or sudden decline. So you would also have to fix the numbers for Q.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) Pirates going after Q is my dark horse team. Have some great prospect depth, headed by nice trade chips in Glasnow and Bell. Pirates supposedly called the Yankees about Eovaldi. Problem with Pirates is they know their future revolves around their kids so making a huge splash where they trade them isn't likely. They want a controllable pitcher but they won't pay up for a stud.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) Someone posted the Pirates the other day and after trying to write about why it wouldn't work I talked myself into thinking they have the means to get it done. The problem is on both sides though. Fair payment for one of these guys is their top 3 prospects (taillon, Glasnow, Meadows, plus their catching prospect) and the Pirates aren't going to give up both pitchers plus meadows in the same deal and I don't care who its for...and the White Sox aren't going to move these guys. That would be me, the "someone posted the Pirates the other day".

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 07:17 AM) To be fair to Hahn, I don't know that he's really missed on anyone other than Laroche and his $1-$3 million utility players. But he hasn't hit any home runs either. Duke is okay - had one really good year but he's pitching to his ability Robertson is a tad disappointing- not a difference maker but usually good for the save Melky was terrible last year, but this year he's been good....not unlike his prior few up/down seasons Frazier is hitting his homers Lawrie's been better than he was at Oak or Toronto; which isn't to say he's great, but acceptable. Samardzija was disappointing but actually pitched to his career averages Shields is settling down. Laroche, of course, was an abomination on several levels Bonificio, Beckham, Rollins, Turner and several others were bad uses of resources. Particularly Beckham, Rollins and Bonifacio The problem is that those "pretty good" players weren't enough to resurrect a 73 win team to playoff contention. Had he gotten luck and hit a few homers, then perhaps things would be different. But you can't plan on luck. The other problem is that there was an opportunity cost to acquiring those decent veterans. Different players could have been acquired, the prospects could have been used for different players, and some of the prospects are proving to be good plaeyrs, with 6 years of control. The good news is that the vets aren't terrible and they could be peddling for some interesting young players. Misses just aren't guys you sign but suck they are also guys you could've had fairly cheaply late in the off season but didn't sign. Also most would consider Samardzija a huge miss considering how he performed and what we gave up for him.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 07:41 AM) If teams on the way outside looking in don't have scouts in Texas, Boston, they're not doing their jobs. They do have scouts watching on TV. Watching players in person is over rated

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 11:36 PM) I am getting indications that the #WhiteSox may be re-considering their stance of being "non-sellers" in the coming weeks https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/755925692064358400 I won't name teams/players yet but have gotten semi-specific details https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/755926096881868800 If they had reconsidered their stance of not firing Robin perhaps they wouldn't have had to reconsider their stance of being non sellers. They do a lot of considering but take no action.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) The Sox will sit on their hands and do nothing at the deadline just like last year. Remember that this is year 2 of some sort of 3 year plan. The Sox will try to retool again this offseason. This exact time next year we will be having this same conversation as the Sox again hover around 500. Stuck in baseball hell just like the other team that Jerry owns is stuck in basketball hell. It always make me wonder if Hahn would just got some hits instead of misses on his moves things could've been much different. Off the top of my head if they had gone after Fowler, Desmond and Daniel Murphy or even Murphy along with either Fowler or Desmond . Re tooling isn't a bad idea it's just bad when you have so many misses especially misses that ended up being fairly cheap moves the kind the Sox should to be good at since that's all they do.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 05:57 AM) I don't see how any team can give fair value for either of them. Both are under very friendly contracts and neither are in their prime years yet. I don't think that you should trade them at all. You've got Sale, Q, Rodon, Fulmer right now. You're set for pitching for the next 4-5 years. How many other teams can say that? True enough. You need a Shelby Miller type return and possibly more since I highly doubt Sale or Q ends up pitching like Miller did and then gets sent back to the minors. The only thing I'd disagree with you on is that these are their prime years. When you pitch like they have they last 3 years and have never gone under the knife I don't see how their futures can get much better than their present .

I say the Sox should try to extend Sale and Q again. See if they would take Danks type money. I know that would be a HUGE underpayment but another 4 years for each for $60-75M with no-trade options would be great. It would be a long shot but they have both seen what happened to Danks and they have to see all the Tommy Johns going on. Maybe they bite.

I hate Lind.

Great start from our number 5 . If only this team could hit , the starting pitching has looked pretty good lately.

Saladino celebrating his 27th birthday in style with a very nice 3 for 3 against the rusty King.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Inform my ignorance please... What does "2 dimes" equate to in non-badass-slang-lingo? 20 cents

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) Abreu needs to sit for a day or two. Can Morneau play the field or is he strictly a DH now? He can field since he was in the NL the last few years.

Way to hit with 2 strikes Morneau !

Frazier goes yard. 3 run bomb after King griped about the 4th ball to Morneau.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:57 PM) That's Jake Petricka's reliever entry music! I did not know that or maybe I am Jake Petricka . Any who yeah 1st I went through Nirvana songs then Pearl Jam. It's very hard to match up song titles to games . Figured I go with a Seattle area band since we were plying Seattle.

Lawrie, Melky and Frazier go deep. Bullpen pitched well. Including Fulmer The rock theme song is by the Seattle band the Foo Fighters called "The Pretender " . Interpret that any way you please.

Toddbomb !!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:37 PM) Wtf is wrong with Abreu Looked like Alexei there afraid of contact. Maybe that glove hand has something wrong with it.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) Avi didn't do anything wrong That's what I basically said for those who jumped on Avi about it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:12 PM) This ump struggles with accurately calling pitches to his left Both sides actually Q got 2 straight pitches off the plate according to pitch trax in the early innings with a righty up so those were to the umps right.

Beautiful inning by Duke.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Avi f***ing sucks I actually thought they had a shot at Frazier at home when I saw where he was when the ball was cut off. So I'll accept the Avi out in the rundown .Otherwise maybe they get Frazier at home.