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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:09 AM) So you are saying there is zero chance you would have fried Robin if a go ahead run didn't score because Konerko wasn't pinch run for and the Sox wound up losing? When Sierra came in, I was in the gamethread. Where were all the 2 or 3 moves ahead posters then? They sure did manage to find their way to posting AFTER the Sox didn't score and were looking to blame Robin for something. Poster's aren't paid to look 2 or 3 moves ahead or manage the team but Robin is. So it really makes no difference when they say the moves are iffy because they are iffy. If you realize it before time, during or after, they are still questionable moves and I don't see you denying that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 09:24 PM) The "wait til next year" stuff is kind of scary. You can do that year after year and next thing you know it's always 'wait til next year' if the team doesn't build up the roster. This year isn't on Robin as much as Hahn. If Robin keeps the team within five games of .500 it's a masterful job. If the team wins five games in September and plummets, not so great overall. Probably most of the complaints are his handling of pitching matchups and not pinch hitting more in the late innings. We can all stop right there. No manager in the history of the game could make the right call(s) with this bullpen. These guys simply cannot pitch on a consistent basis. Bella leads the laughably bad bullpen brigade. Don't judge Robin on pitching decisions (except that one game where he ran out of pitchers; that disgusted me). As far as pinch hitters, cmon. Batting Flowers today wouldn't have paid off. This team isn't exactly "deep" where you can effectively pinch hit much where it would make a difference. Pretty good post when you read it a couple times. He's right IMO. That's the problem when you don't bother reading the whole thread or watch the game or read or take part in the game thread . Those were not the major points of contention. Trailing 4-3 Abreu led off the 9th against left hander Glen Perkins with a single and Robin pinch ran for him ( Leury Garcia ) because he's the tying run . Good move pretty accepted and expected strategy. PK pinch hits for Dunn and gets a single moving Leury to 3rd so its 1st and 3rd no outs. Another good move by Robin not letting the LH Dunn face the LH Perkins. Then the questionable move. Robin pinch runs for PK with Moises Sierra when De Aza who is batting .083 against LHers is 2 hitters away. Sierra is RH along with Flowers who is red hot and also on the bench. Now we all know PK is slow but is he the go ahead run . Maybe if Viceido who is up now hits a double Sierra scores whereas PK wouldn't or maybe Sierra can break up a DP since we've seen Tank hit into a few of those before. Now Robin has known all year that his bench is a little short since PK can only pinch hit and not play any other position. SO maybe, just maybe you think ahead, ok what if PK gets on base I might need my other RH's to pinch hit with Perkins being lefty and all and De Aza being really bad this year against lefty's . SO if I pinch run for PK maybe it should be one of my faster pitcher's or a pitcher who's not a starter ( don't want them running the bases) but if I use a reliever and it goes extra innings I could need that pitcher. Or maybe I just wait before I pinch run for PK but I better pick out a reliever and tell him to stretch his legs and if the game ends up going 15 innings I'll cross that bridge when I get to it but the main thing is getting the tying run home. The main thing is getting Leury in from 3rd. That's the tying run and Perkins is one tough son of a gun. Damn it Viciedo K's Conor is up . He sucks against LH's too but not half as bad as De Aza and he 's has a good eye. Well hmm Conor works a walk now Sierra is at 2nd base and I can't use Sierra to pinch hit because he's pinch running but I still have Flower's since Nieto started and he's red hot. Ok so if Flowers pinch hits Sierra can still take De Aza's place in the OF and Flowers can take Neito's place but then I have no catcher if Flower's gets hurt. Ok Leury's still on 3rd. Yea maybe I shouldn't have had Sierra pinch run for PK .Maybe Rienzo could have run though we don't really know how fast he is but we do all know PK is about the slowest man in baseball. Robin has to know De Aza is terrible against LH this year . Sierra is a better choice so is Flowers but he wasted Sierra on the go ahead runner when just getting Leury in was the main thing.. So any way De Aza also K's Gordan flies out to left . Game Over. Carrol pitched 6 strong innings but the reason he didnt start the 7th was because of a blister and I'm pretty sure most knowledgeable Sox fans said hey good job Carroll and weren't upset when Bellasario came in. Before he threw a pitch the umps said he had too much resin on his left sleeve and told him to take a bracelet or rubber band or something off that he was wearing under that sleeve and they cut off his sleeve at the elbow. Robin stayed in the dugout the entire time his pitcher is being messed with. That is kind of odd. I think most managers would've come out and said wtf why are you f***ing with my pitcher and to gauge how Bellasario felt about it. Well Bellasario was angry ( his post game comments)and proceeded to wet the bed. Walks the 1st hitter, then Thigpen visits the mound. Gives up a single next ,a wild pitch and another walk before he is replaced. So these are the things that some of us questioned.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Okay, the dudes having fun about his glasses are chill with me, but you're on the naughty chair. He's hitting .243/.299/.350 with a .371 BABIP and a 35.4 K% (dead last in the entire MLB). He's put the ball in play 166 times, for 62 hits. Applying the league average BABIP of .300 (his 2011 BABIP was .261, his 2012 .301 and his 2013 .261) to his line gives him 50 hits. Add his 6 homers, divide by his 280 at-bats and an average BABIP would have given him an average of a clean .200. Even assuming all 12 hits he loses were singles (which is generous because he's had extra-base hits that normally would have been outs, like that double which span and then hit the bag), that would leave Ordinary Luck Tyler Flowers with a line of .200/.260/.307. He's just not an MLB hitter. He also ranks 66 of 96 in catcher framing, so it's not like there's some insane hidden value. Dude you're preaching to the choir. I know he's a bad hitter I was only saying that IF he hits well for the rest of the season it would certainly make me rethink his suckiness.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:27 PM) He has no chance to get his average to .270 none. And if I had told you on 7/12 when Tyler was batting .213 that on 7/26 he would be batting .243 you would have said the same thing.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:11 PM) Having "late innings maneuverability" has nothing to do with having a strong (2nd best in baseball) DH platoon. I don't know what you are trying to say. The 2nd best DH "platoon" is mostly Dunn. Konerko really hasn't contributed much to that "platoon" nor is he able to pinch run or play multiple positions. If he pinch hits and gets on base and has to be pinch run for that's using 2 bench players for that 1 hit. Abreu has started around 15 games at DH so that sure helps the "platoon" production. The fact is you still can't figure out run production or wins and losses the way you suggested it. You cannot predict how another player with running ability and multi positional talent would be as a DH in Konerko's absence but we do know he would not be one dimensional.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) Glasses or no glasses I want someone else as starting catcher in 2015. Hey I was calling for Flowers head last year but seriously how can you say that now? What if he get's his average up to .270 by seasons end and hit's like 10 more HR's ? That would be a decent enough sample size to give me pause.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) One thing I think Ventura has been pretty good at is trying to not put the younger kids in a position to fail. He hasn't over-exposed a guy like Nieto who could easily be putting up terrible numbers in some less optimal match ups. He also let a guy like Conor win the job with his play, and not award it to either Keppinger or Davidson just simply on pedigree or salary. He respects his veterans and let's them dictate their play, and so when he takes them out, they don't have a problem with it, because they know it is for a good reason. I think you can spin that either way with Nieto. He hasn't been put in a position to do much of anything really. He also probably saw a bit of himself in Conor, a LH who struggled when first given the chance but has a good approach and a good swing. Most people usually have some kind of failure before they succeed.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 04:56 PM) It's not a few times....its 2-3 times per week. If it was a game or two, it could be forgiven. However, when it happens over and over again with the clown never learning a lesson, its time for him to go. Loved Robin as a player......can't stand him as a manager. Really the only way you could possibly help your own cause would be like a 2 page report of what his mistakes were and backing them up with why it was a mistake. Many times things such as bullpen moves you might consider foolish are based on how often a pitcher has been pitching . So you can't just say bring in so and so reliever every time. You'd have to back that up with games he was used the week prior and or stats against a player(s) he was brought in to face . Just ranting about it without facts is like spitting into the wind or howling at the moon.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) 4-15 with Nieto as the starter....Really don't know what to think of it. Tyler, before the last 2 weeks, has been dreadful offensively so it's not like they were missing his bat. But ya it is indeed true. Tyler is the good luck charm. So it's Robin's fault for playing Nieto so much !

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) This. If sin city had said Robin is just plain bad maybe there wouldn't be so many posts calling it a stupid thread. Maybe some of you can manage to read between the lines. It doesn't take a baseball genius to see Robin's been caught a few times with his pants down ala Steve Lyons , totally oblivious to what's going on around him or incapable of thinking more than a few steps ahead. Some of the best posters on here can see it and I believe they are totally objective. If sin city is trolling then I'd have to say so are the ones who will defend Robin no matter what . It's true the bullpen has been in constant flux and the bench doesn't have much flexibility so Robin is limited in his moves that will work out well thus leaving him open to more criticism. That, however, does not absolve him of doing the best he can with what he has and many of us do not see him doing that.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Sox are #2 in the AL in DH production with an .849 OPS. Add up the runs scored by having 2nd best DH setup, subtract any runs lost by being "hamstrung" by the lack of some other 25th man. Having the 2nd best DH production has nothing to do with late innings maneuverability. If we had lost a few more games due to lesser DH production so be it but that cannot be figured out the way you suggest.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) This is going to be a two horse race between the Red Sox and Yankees for his services...... I guess my earlier estimate of what he will go for was way too low considering so many teams sent people to see him. I still say even if he signs for Puig money he won't be worth it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) Thank you for a moment of sanity. And when Konerko was announced as coming back more people were for it than against it no matter how others argued that it was a mistake. It wasn't a big deal in a rebuilding year etc.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) he's been consistent -- ERA is 9.00. It's 107 in Peoria , Az . No need to keep any pitcher in very long.

Sail on Sail on Sale

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 06:47 PM) http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?g...ox&sid=milb It's 107 degrees there. Yikes.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 06:23 PM) Give the 9th to Thompson I assume. Is Thompson up ? Rienzo needs the work.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) Surely you can't be serious. Don't call him Shirley.

11 K 's

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 05:39 PM) Tyler Flowers>Harry Potter Sorcerer's Spectacles > Sorcerers's Stone

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 04:19 PM) Sale would be first White Sox pitcher since Buehrle to win 10 of his first 11 decisions in a season. Darnell's strikeout pitch is the slider. Change-up.

Tyler Flowers and Sorcerers Spectacles .. the saga continues.

AJ 3/4 against that other Chicago team today.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 09:37 AM) I would agree with this. I don't see Avi having the .OBP/power that Maggs had. Maybe it's overlooked because he played during the steroid era, but if Avisail Garcia turned into a Ordonez we would have the best 3/4 combination in the league. I think Avi can be a 25 HR guy consistently given how big and strong he is. Once he starts getting into more hitters counts and starts looking to drive the ball more he will really blossom . He has a very strong hit tool.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 08:06 PM) More than likely right buttt you're no fun sir. If Feeky could just wear the Sorcerer's Spectacles for a moment he would understand. Everything would be clear.