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jesus...nice make up call. not even close...

Coulda been A LOT worse...

you gottaa be bleepin' me?!?!?! Wow!

still can't believe gordo didn't beat that out. great play and all...but damn.

Feels good to finally own the Twinkies again...and Jake was a bulldog again today!

Not one mention of Tanks catch...dude saved a couple runs there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 10:05 PM) The Sox so far have given up Lillibridge, who was given up by Boston, Stewart, Escobar and minor league fodder. So really KW has traded away as close to nothing as you can get. The only thing is Escobar is a decent defender, a high energy guy, really liked in the clubhouse. His intanigibles may be missed, but he had 3 RBI. The Sox do need someone to back up at SS. No to Hudson there. Right now I kinda wish we had Lilli back to tell you the truth. Backup IF and OF...

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:58 PM) From Phil Rogers Is the addition of Francisco Liriano a precursor to another trade by Ken Williams? The White Sox have been telling teams that Gavin Floyd is available, and it's possible that Floyd will be traded to Baltimore or elsewhere before the Monday deadline. For Liriano, the trade to the White Sox should be convenient, at the least. He was scheduled to pitch at Target Field on Sunday but instead will get a day to make the mental transition to a new team before the Sox arrive in Minnesota on Monday. Rookie Jose Quintana is set to start for the Sox in the opener, followed by Jake Peavy Tuesday. Robin Ventura could schedule Liriano to make his debut on Wednesday, as that would get two extra days' rest for Chris Sale, who would then be pushed back until Friday in Chicago against the Angels. This plan would allow for Don Cooper to work with Liriano in a side session on Monday. That makes sense. If the White Sox don't deal Floyd or another starter, they'll have to choose between a six-man rotation and moving a starter like Quintana or Humber to the bullpen. Interesting times, for sure. http://sulia.com/channel/baseball/f/a7aae6...?source=twitter at this point you better get something ridiculous if you give up Gavin...can't see it right now. You're putting an awful lot of pressure/depending on Humber. And you DO NOT send Quintana to the bullpen...PERIOD.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 09:14 PM) Who's playing SS for Charlotte? Seems like we need to call up a new backup... or another trade You almost have too. Makes zero sense to bring up Morel like somebody said earlier...you need a backup SS. Rather not throw Gordo over there...

SHUT THE f*** UP?!?!? Had the game recorded...just got home and saw this!!! GREAT DEAL!!!!!

That was one of the sweeter wins of the year. Sale battled and Youk sparked. I do like this team...

I still wouldn't mind Vargas...

Gotta admit the Angels are loaded...hate to the one signing checks for that club.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) I predicted long ago that we'd wind up with Vargas. He's definitely one of the guys I thought of early on in the process of who could be had. That's just waaaaay too much quiche and what to give up of Hernandez.

What a huge win. Thinkin' the boys got a little pissed after Boston and Detroit. Time to go on a roll...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) His OPS is 9 points higher than Tyler Flowers' Yeah...I hear what you're sayin' based on stats alone. What was Youk's OPS before he came over btw? Olivo > Flowers...just sayin.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 04:21 PM) The simple story is a lone gunman who went crazy, not a big conspiracy over a UN treaty vote. Did you ever dig into the Norway shootings? I'm guessing you think Lee Harvey shot Kennedy too?...like I said Occam's razor.

Since Seattle is in sell mode ask them about Olivo would be my suggestion...

This is yet another heightened story that falls under Occam's razor IMO (which basically says that when deciding between two possibilities, the one which is simplest or requires the least amount of assumptions, is most likely the true explanation in your mind). Just waaaaaaay too many questions I have about it...but yet everyone is just dismissing it as an Honor's student that went berserk and went on a killing spree due to the ease and availability of weapons. So when the credits were starting he had enough time to prop open a one way unlocking door, dress complete from head to toe in kevlar and reenter. I'd like to hear more of the timeline personally. Also heard people interviewed who were there they thought there was more than one person. I'd also like learn more about tracing the money for him to purchase around probably all these weapons and gear (not cheap by any means). Just tons of questions. And yet the irony of this taking place just a week or so before a vote on the UN Arms Treaty...I'm really not buying this crap and dismissing this as this type of person with no real history of anything goes on a killing rampage to this extent and in the manor to which he carried it out.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 09:42 PM) The Sox are done if ... The starting pitching staff resembles the staff that pitched on that last road trip. Sad thing is if Floyd and Danks were effective and healthy this entire season we might have had a chance to win the division. The Sox have a chance to make the playoffs as wildcard if ... - The team has another nine or 10 game winning streak in it. I never thought the Sox could win that many in a row and they did it earlier this year. It also would help to win eight of every 10 at home the rest of the way because I think our road magic is gone. Team will be lucky to go .500 on road rest of the way after that pathetic road trip. Sox are done if they don't start hitting consistently. But like many said...it's still early. And yes...we do need another streak...a few of them actually. I'm not that concerned with the pitching. I'm concerned with Paulie's wrist. Dunn's complete disappearance. Beckham will never contribute consistently...just overall offensive production.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 06:12 PM) Do you remember the North Hollywood shootout? 2 men in body armor held police at bay for nearly an hour while firing weapons. They had no armor over their face, and were being shot at by dozens of police. It took an hour for police to actually hit them in a place that could wound them around their armor. Why? Because "Aim for the head" under ideal circumstances isn't easy, you aim center of mass for a reason, you're less likely to miss, the head is a small target compared to center of mass. Now, even assume ideal circumstances, except you are under fire yourself. Thus, you don't have time to stand in front of the shooter and take aim, if you try to do that you die. You have to get off a shot quickly. Now, assume that the responder doesn't have the training of a police officer to get off a shot quickly. Now the scenario is even worse. Then, add in any other situation. Like a cramped hallway, or an explosive device, crowds of people screaming and trying to take cover or get away, in this case tear gas and darkness. What you just described is a hollywood scene, it isn't real life. Firing from probably 50-60+ yards away at moving targets with 9mm and 38's (standard at that time) obviously wouldn't do much. You pop a novice from 15 yards away with a 9, .40 or .45 will definitely knock you for a loop...kevlar and all. All I'm saying is once he gets popped...he's reeling. Kevlar doesn't make people Iron Man. Bullet velocity at close distance is a matter of physics. Not disputing your theory/point or anything. I'm sure it was complete chaos. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 06:13 PM) This was really written? Yup...cause that's how I roll.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 08:35 PM) You're serious with that last paragraph? Really? There could be shootings like this week after week after week and I'm not convinced anything would change...in fact, it would probably make it more likely that people already inclined to do so would even more fervently want to arm themselves, rather than agreeing to "disarm." Serious as a heart attack caulfield. The "disarming" you're referring to won't be voluntary. Look up the whole UN Arms Treaty deal currently going on. I doubt it would get ratified by the Senate...but there's deep ramifications. Trying to keep this "non-political". And you are correct about people arming themselves. Look at sales and stock for companies like Sturm-Ruger and Smith and Wesson. Sales through the roof the past two to three years. Between 9/11 (I'll spare you my theories), people thinking the 2nd Amendment will be attacked soon (see Obama's appointments of Sotomayor and Kagen...STAUNCH pro-gun control), the whole Zombie apocalypse due to a virus (why does the CDC list this on their sight btw)...the whole country is programmed for fear and paranoia. Violence is normal. From movies, to video games...it's completely out of control. Part of a grand plan IMO. New World Order (which both W and Barry Obama have both used the phrase)...doesn't sit well with me. Who knows. Call me nuts or paranoid if you want...I just choose to not ignore it. Sorry if I seemed to hijack this thread (which I didn't mean to)...

Lot's of unknowledgeable gun people on here (not a slam by any means). StrangeSox was correct...you don’t need a license to own an NFA weapon...or a large capacity mag. Full-auto machineguns (not the other NFA devices) can only be owned by civilians if they are registered as such BEFORE May 19, 1986...they are transferable...and yes...lots of red tape. But...you can walk in and walk out with any AR or AK from any gun dealer. Hell...if you have 9-10K you can get a Barrett M82A1 50 BMG (which is my dream gun to own btw). He seemed to have a clean background check. And as far as large capacity mags...I'd be surprised if he had "several" 100-rounders. He was using an AR which you can get 100-round drum mags for. An AK can get a 75-round mag. Most AR and AK's come with standard 30-round mags. If he bought 6000 rounds and all these mags he's spent a big chunk of money. They do have things called "Slide Fires" which is replacing the stock on an AR or AK with a combo stock and grip. It's based on centrifugal force or "bump firing"...which basically makes your weapon an automatic...and it's completely legal. They go for around $350. And to answer a few responses...you can say CCW people in the crowd wouldn't have made a difference or made things worse...but I don't see it that way. And yes he was covered in Kevlar...but being a novice you're still vulnerable. We'll never know...but I can't imagine that situation. And btw...in Arizona you don't need a CCW permit for concealed carry. I just find it odd that something like this happens with all the stink about the UN Arms Treaty talk going on right now (which is gonna cause a HUGE stink soon)...kind of a CIA "false flag" scenario IMO...like a healthy Andrew Breitbart dropping dead of natural causes at 43 (who said he had bad video of Barry)...and I'll stop now with my other theories.

What a terrible, terrible tragedy. Not trying to turn politically...but I'm sure the Gun Control crowd will run with this one. What's strange is I just watched Bowling for Columbine the other night for the first time...America's fascination with guns and their ready availability. As a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment and NRA...and a conceal carry person myself, I'm just curious to see the spike in CCW permits in Colorado now in the wake of this event. We as a country, have been programmed to live in fear and violence is second nature anymore. I'm just surprised there were no CCW carriers in the crowd. If it was AZ I'd venture to say he probably would have had at least 5-6 people returning fire... The sheer senselessness of things like this amaze me...

I just wonder what ever happened to the time-honored tradition of never taking a guy out pitching a shutout? Get's old...