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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 04:06 PM) Right, and they have to have been registered prior to 84 or 86 (I forget which year), which severely limits their supply. It's 86. But besides fully automatic machine guns covers such weapons such as short-barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, suppressors (silencers) and grenade launchers. I've actually run across quite a few out here (except the grenade launchers). Not a huge abundance of weapons...but more than you think. Plus if you want one...a dealer will track it down for you.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Rational people will agree. Gun-totin' NRA folks will disagree and scream that "bad people will get guns anyway". Meanwhile, our children are being murdered by psychopaths who can easily buy a gun at a gun show. I think you might be stereotyping NRA "folks" as backwoods hillbillies with confederate flags and rifle mounts in their pickup windows. I actually enjoy quite a few benefits I get from the NRA...and agree with their stance of protecting the 2nd Amendment. Problem with the NRA is some of their agendas and lobbying give them a bad name. I do agree with your view on how easily it is to buy a gun at a gun show. Many vendors go thru the proper paperwork and procedures but you can buy weapons directly from attendees at these shows...inside them as well as outside. Also you have classified sites that you can buy and sell weapons very easily. Have some interesting stories on one of those where I sold a few guns. But overall I do agree with the overall background check should be more stringent...like it is to buy NFA weapons (which btw...people think it's illegal to buy or own fully automatic weapons...it's not. You just have to go through much more paperwork and wait a few months...but you can legally own them once you've gone thru proper channels).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:37 PM) Because hey, guess what, alcohol serves other legitimate social purposes and, thanks to guns! we know that there will be an explosion of gun violence. Seriously, stop trying to equate guns and alcohol. They are not the same thing. That's because you only hear of events like this...with guns. Do you hear about daily drunk driving accidents in every state that kills families and children...no. And guns also serve social purposes...I recreational shoot with a group often as many, many people do. It's all in the mind of what's "socially acceptable" huh?...k. So people can go out and get s*** faced...awesome. I do. But some people wipe out families because of it. Should your rights to drink be eliminated because of them? I also own guns and recreationally shoot and don't kill anybody. But my rights should be eliminated because of a few nutbags? You have your opinion...I have mine. I'm assuming you're not a gun owner...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:32 PM) There has been a decades-long campaign against drunk driving with ever-stricter requirements and penalties. with no bans on alcohol. If they were serious there'd be those interlock devices on all cars...

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) Gangs. Seriously, that's the answer. No other country has the number of gangs and gang members as the US. It's a small, incredibly violent, group of people in our society. I've looked before but couldn't find a study that looks at homicide rates in non-gang related shootings. I bet it's still higher than the rest of the world, but that number of gun related homicides shrinks to a much more comparable figure. Don't disagree one bit...and I'm sure ALL of those gang members would abide by any gun control laws that would be put in place.

Dude...there's an estimated well over 300,000,000 firearms in America. How on earth do you get them all? Not gonna happen. I'm a law abiding gun owner...and proud of it and carry daily. Have always been under the idea of: "Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...". Where's the outrage at the number of drunk driving deaths each year which hover around 12,000?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) Who randomly just "snaps" and starts shooting people? In like 99.9% of these cases, there is something not right with the person that breeds this reaction. That's what the yearly mental aptitude test would be for. This is part of my point. They're usually some loner person without many friends...just seems really coincidental...instead of Joe Blow who's been doing the same mundane job sorting mail for years and snaps on his boss. Who effin' does this kind of stuff?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) You can legally obtain it, but you CANNOT legally bring it into Chicago, nor can you legally register it...so no, it's not false...you just didn't read my entire post. And I fully understand you point on legally obtaining it elsewhere...but then you're ignoring the proceeding criminal activity of transporting it to an area where its not legal and cannot be legally registered. This makes the entire process ILLEGAL. I understand your point it's too easy to obtain that way, and it should be made harder, but it also highlights that these people are ignoring the laws anyway. So what you're saying is even if you have a FOID card and follow the STATE LAWS of ownership and transportation...Chicago laws supercede state laws?!? News to me...but I don't live there. I live in AZ where open carry is allowed with no need for any CCW permits.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) Remember when you said the same sort of crap after the Aurora, CO shootings, about how it was to swing votes for some UN resolution? Remember how wrong that was? Unfortunately...I don't think I was wrong. The common agenda has been strict gun control. The UN Resolution will re-emerge next year I'm pretty sure...but the agenda is for a disarmament and strict gun control in the United States that can be justified. I truly hate these discussions. And for the record...I AM for a strict gun control. Better restrictions for purchases, etc...but bottom line is you can restrict "assault weapons" and semiautomatic pistols all you want...guns will still be out there. It's just sad that it's these kinds of events that have to get the ball rolling.

Anybody stop and wonder how these things are suddenly cropping up so commonly? Wisconsin, Colorado, recently Oregon, among other places...and while shocking have pretty much been met with no complete outrage for strict gun control after the first week or so. So the level or carnage had to be amped up and hit home...children at a school. Look...I'm as outraged by this as anybody...it's horrible beyond comprehension...but I'm sure this will cause the outrage that will finally get SOMEONE'S AGENDA of disarming law-abiding American citizens rolling. Meanwhile...criminals and crazies will still have guns. Don't blame the NRA or all the other law abiding gun owning citizens. This is absolutely horrific... So yes...as horrific as all of this is...it's children for god sakes! It does stir my conspiracy theorist mind. It's just becomes way too commonplace. Some loner with a screw loose is ALWAYS the story. Waiting for this story to unfold...but I suspect this person(s) storyline is much along the same line as the kid in Colorado or anyplace else. I do think there are other forces in place here that are trying to propel the complete gun control agenda...and this was the final act. Flame away...but I trust our government/CIA covert crap and their agendas as much as I trust my worst enemy. You're just going to eliminate the guns that are out there right now?!?...good luck with that. People that don't comply?...I guess that's what the FEMA camps are for. If you want to ban the sale of them now...go ahead...but trying to confiscate will be a joke and a nightmare. But the government's agenda of disarming the American public is being put into high gear now given this event.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 13, 2012 -> 02:42 PM) Pujols, Hamilton and Trout nice lineup. Trumbo too. This is ridiculous...

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 06:52 PM) Money aside I'm sure that's not what Mark imagined going to play for Ozzie in MIA. this is the first thing I thought of...sure he's none too happy.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) Because Cabrera was a triple crown winner who can't play defense at 3b. That's like comparing Andre the Giant to Peter Dinklage. Well obviously there's an offensive disparity between Cabrera and anybody... We're speaking in terms of defense tho...

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) This feels like the second or third time the Sox have been tied to an OF already (I could be wrong), and with RockRaines mentioning that they're considering moving Viciedo back to third, I'm starting to think that might be a good possibility. Why not move him back to 3rd if there's no better option out there? Hell...if Detroit can survive with that orca Cabrera at 3rd why couldn't Viciedo do it? There are worse options if you ask me...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) I would not expect him to hit 31 homers next year. He probably w will be a lot closer to his previous high of 12. If somehow the Sox got him, expectations would be through the roof, odds are he couldn't live up to them. Given the results from NL players coming over to us and their production the following year I'd agree with this...

Regardless if he stays or goes it's nice to see AJ finally acknowledged for an outstanding year!

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Nov 9, 2012 -> 09:43 AM) I'd make a huge trade with AZ. Viciedo, Beckham and Jones for Upton & Montero I keep having Upton in the back of my head too. Montero...forget it...the just signed him to an extension and no way in hell they'd deal him. If you guys are talking a left handed bat I think the DBacks would listen on Kubel.

Wright is just waaaaay too much money plus a little too "ouchy" for me. Just think he's a tad overrated. I think you have to explore any deals you can make for Rios, Dunn or Paulie...but assuming nobody bites much. I guy I'd like to see the Sox go after at 3B is Chase Headley.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 06:09 PM) I've a feeling A Rod will be in a Sox uniform. God please no...

Not that anybody cares about the Marlins anymore that Oz is gonzo...scuttlebutt our here is GONZO (Luis Gonzalez) might get a look. He's the polar opposite of Ozzie. Great baseball mind, great with media, Cuban....

You can argue whether he's a good manager or not...but is he worth the headache is the main question. I honestly have a hard time seeing any teams besides 1 or 2 MAYBE that would even take a chance on him in the next year or so.

btw...is there a sobbing Cowley article yet anywhere?

QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 13, 2012 -> 09:12 PM) Trade for a 37 year old 3B with injury issues, declining production, and 5 years left on his contract? this. might as well renegotiate with Youk then.

I'm just ecstatic to not have to see Ron Washington's face the entire playoffs...

Not that this is earth shattering...but fathom mentioned really liking Sutton. They still haven't said why in relation to Sutton... http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbac....html#protected