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You have this habit of posting stuff with no source. You may notice that people here usually post a link, or at least state where/how they heard things. Otherwise it looks like you just pulled it out of your rear end.

 

Source?

 

KNBR radio

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Main reason I don't buy it: OF is not a position of weakness. Viciedo-De Aza-Rios was a great OF for us last year. Furthermore, still have Dunn as the DH and Konerko at 1b, so not like Dayan would move to DH.

 

Also, De Aza posted nearly identical numbers to Pagan and is three years YOUNGER and costs probably at least 1/10 what Pagan will be making next year.

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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 10:18 AM)
Main reason I don't buy it: OF is not a position of weakness. Viciedo-De Aza-Rios was a great OF for us last year. Furthermore, still have Dunn as the DH and Konerko at 1b, so not like Dayan would move to DH.

 

Also, De Aza posted nearly identical numbers to Pagan and is three years YOUNGER and costs probably at least 1/10 what Pagan will be making next year.

 

 

Is Pagan better defensively though? I wouldn't say that I don't buy it, just that it is unlikely. He will probably make more money elsewhere. It has also been reported that Sox contacted Torii Hunter. They may just be doing their due diligence. Maybe getting a 3B really will cost De Aza or Viciedo.

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QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 09:53 AM)
There's has been talk here in San Fran, that the Sox are looking to sign Pagan to play CF.

 

He did this over at WSI all the time until people called him out over there and he got banned. Went by the name Rockabilly.

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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:56 AM)
This feels like the second or third time the Sox have been tied to an OF already (I could be wrong), and with RockRaines mentioning that they're considering moving Viciedo back to third, I'm starting to think that might be a good possibility.

 

Why not move him back to 3rd if there's no better option out there? Hell...if Detroit can survive with that orca Cabrera at 3rd why couldn't Viciedo do it? There are worse options if you ask me...

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QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:18 AM)
Why not move him back to 3rd if there's no better option out there? Hell...if Detroit can survive with that orca Cabrera at 3rd why couldn't Viciedo do it? There are worse options if you ask me...

Because Cabrera was a triple crown winner who can't play defense at 3b.

 

That's like comparing Andre the Giant to Peter Dinklage.

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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 12:24 PM)
Because Cabrera was a triple crown winner who can't play defense at 3b.

 

That's like comparing Andre the Giant to Peter Dinklage.

 

Well obviously there's an offensive disparity between Cabrera and anybody...

We're speaking in terms of defense tho...

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Putting Pagan and de Aza in the outfield, and either moving Viciedo to 3RD, or trading him for a third baseman, makes some sense.

Those two would give the Sox a good top of the order, with speed and decent OBP. Pagan is a switch hitter, and could either lead off or bat second. Then you can go with Rios and Konerko, before hitting Dunn 5TH, which should be the lowest in the order that should ever see his .200 batting average.

 

The line up could then see Viciedo, Ramirez, Flowers and Beckham at the bottom half. It's still too heavily weighted with right handed hitters, but it's better than we had last year.

 

 

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QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:28 AM)
Well obviously there's an offensive disparity between Cabrera and anybody...

We're speaking in terms of defense tho...

They survived Cabrera's defense because of his offense. I don't know how you're not seeing that.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:52 AM)
I would rather the Sox sign Melky Cabrera. Cheaper, might still have steroids in his system. $10 million a year or more for Angel Pagan is not wise, and I doubt there is any truth to this rumor.

 

Cabrera is an interesting idea. He might be a bargain because of the bust.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 11:52 AM)
I would rather the Sox sign Melky Cabrera. Cheaper, might still have steroids in his system. $10 million a year or more for Angel Pagan is not wise, and I doubt there is any truth to this rumor.

Pagan for more than 2 mil forget it......................10 mil is way overpaying.

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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 12:24 PM)
Because Cabrera was a triple crown winner who can't play defense at 3b.

 

That's like comparing Andre the Giant to Peter Dinklage.

 

 

There are no other realistic options at 3b besides resigning Youkilis who is expensive. Viciedo is extremely young and can learn the position of which he already has some experience. I'd rather see him move to 3rd and find a left fielder. OFs are much easier to find. I don't want to march some mediocre to most likely below mediocre bat with an average glove out there so everyone you can be comfortable in saying that we have a "true" 3rd baseman.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 12:33 PM)
I don't buy the Pagan stuff the thread starter has a rep for making stuff up, but I do wonder if De Aza's preference to play LF has rubbed the White Sox the wrong way.

 

A twitter search with Pagan and the Sox turned up nothing (including searches with "Sox", "White Sox", and "Chicago"). There is nothing on the KNBR twitter or facebook feed. A google news search using the same basic keywords also turns up nothing. I put a message up at the KNBR facebook page to see if they had mentioned it on the air, and nobody has said anything about it.

 

This is starting to smell funny, and Soxtalk doesn't take kindly to people who fake news.

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Moving De Aza makes perfect sense IMO if you can use him to fill the need at 3B. His value is at an all-time high given his expected production vs his expected salary over the next three years. Four of our top 10 prospects are CFs plus we have Danks & Takate as plan Cs. If we move De Aza, we only need a stop-gap for a year, maybe two at the most. Sounds like CF is a need we could posibbly fill in free agency and at least much easier in the trade market than 3B.

 

While I think De Aza is a very solid player, GMs overvalue leadoff hitters IMO and I think we'd get a great return on him, especially if that player can fill the gaping hole that is 3B.

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