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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. No I completely agree. Because 2018 means essentially nothing to us, the deal really isn't that different than stanton IMO because what we are really acquiring is the "right" of the player at market price, and since there is no long-term cost control, giving up a huge prospect haul for that right is super counterproductive considering we are not at a win now moment yet. Which isn't to say that the Os shouldn't expect more for him, they should, but specifically for the white sox it becomes a bad fit.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) Unless he comes with a guaranteed 5-7 year extension would you even trade Kopech for Machado straight up? I wouldn't. Oh hellll no, which is why I woke up thinking I was going to puke. If I was the Os and was offered Kopech for a year of Machado I would have just said "deal".

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) Well thank god for that. @DanClarkSports RHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStoveRHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941404621314056192 I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included".

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) Could also be White Sox feeding Nightengale false info in order to get the smoke off their trail. Who knows. This is fun! It feels like nightengale has been given garbage info for a ton recently and it hasn't seemed like he's been given preference for breaking things from us in a long time (I feel like it's been either Rosenthal or the white sox themselves)

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) I took it as a positive given how crazy Peter Angelos is, but obviously I don’t know a lot about his son. I just feel like more often than not, the second generation of family ownership is a little more grounded (Wirtz’s, Steinbrenner’s, etc). I feel like us Bulls fans got stuck with the rare bad one in Michael Reinsdorf and his BFF Gar Foreman. I suppose you are right. But I prefer owners that sign off on plans and don't dictate them as they are happening.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) I actually know someone who used to do business with Michael. He is actually more like one of us than anyone would believe when it comes to player personnel despite his affection for GarPax. "Really nice guy except for when he murders people"

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) A couple of the insiders have mentioned that Angelos’ son has actively been involved in these talks and it appears that factor could increase the likelihood of a deal being completed this week. yuck. Can't imagine how much i would hate if I heard Michael Reinsdorf was influencing a package back.

When Nightengale says this stuff I typically blow it off, but when Rosenthal says it I listen. But...that just sounds sooo much like conjecture. Can't imagine sox leaking that about Anderson.

If I was a Republican senator's main backer I would be pretty pissed if they were the ones just saying they'll pass anything vs the ones acting like they will vote no (lol they won't) and getting sweet sweet concessions to me.

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) If Machado has "only hit" for two years, I'd really like to see what an average player is. He's hit well every year since he was 20. Even last year's down year saw great power numbers. Then throw in his defense. Yeah, I mean 2014 he was injured for half the season. His age 20 season he had 51 doubles, then since 2015 he's had 30 homer power each year. You would like to see him develop more patience as he ages, but he's doing all of this with solid defense and if he provided that at SS that would be a huge advantage for as long as that is possible.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) What a nice move by both teams. If people hadn't heard, Piscotty's mom was diagnosed with ALS, so he asked to be traded closer to home so he can be near her. I had not heard this, glad that was able to be worked out.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer. This kinda reminds me of an auction draft in fantasy sports. A good player comes up and you start bidding kinda high to not waste time, then nobody else is bidding and you start to panic. Baltimore is like "YOU ARE THE BEST OFFER" and now Hahn is like "What, NO! Probably not us. SOmeone else is gonna bid. Can't be us"

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet. You should really finish the entire tweet.

Starting to feel better.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Can you name the last few stars that have been traded the offseason before their walk year? I’m sure there are examples, but I can’t think of one other than Shark and that’s using the term loosely. Feels like teams have smartened up and are saving their chips for impact players with more control. How close was Miguel Cabrera to free agency?

Whatever happens, what a nice holiday gift from Hahn to the white sox beat writers and bloggers.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) I think the Cardinals are only delaying the inevitable, I think they should be blow it up They are but also this is shown to be a terrible market to blow it up in.

I was waiting for the "Actually machado isn't that good" stage to arrive!

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Of course. People aren't that stupid. If they're paying money for something they weren't before, they'll blame the people in power. And you can bet your ass the Dems will make that a central part of their messaging. On the other hand, it's really hard to change things back once they change. It would be much better to fight this back now so you have the legislative bandwidth to tackle bigger problems like climate change. I mean, yes, if the entire country collapsed that would look super bad for republicans but then the dems in office are in charge of rubble.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:40 AM) That's more than a calculated risk. Max I'd do is something like pick 2 of Rutherford/Fulmer/Cease/Dunning, and a less regarded guy like Jordan Stephens, Clarkin, or Puckett is the final piece. Anything more than that it just doesn't add up. No kidding. Funny how we devalue players so much more once they actually arrive to the show and aren't just a player comp anymore.

Yeah I do think Cards are doing well for a final push, obviously sucks their Stanton trade didn't work out but if Fowler bounces back that's a real nice OF. If Dejong is legit that could be a fun offense.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I read some earlier post's that Machado has a bad attitude and isn't a team player. Been trying to find some reports on that with no luck. Has anyone else heard that or can provide anything on pertaining to his perceived attitude? Thanx much appreciated. Sure seemed like his teammates had his back this year with all of that Red Sox mess.

St. Louis Cardinals‏Verified account @Cardinals 1m1 minute ago More The Cardinals have traded OF Stephen Piscotty to the Oakland Athletics for SS Yairo Muñoz and 2B Max Schrock.

Really hope Joseph Barrios gets voted out in March.

So I think at the very least we can take away that hahn is pressing that they may be interested but they aren't going to sell the farm for him but may take a risk but Kopech is probably safe and if he has his druthers sustained success.