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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) I still struggle a ton to believe "his price won't be that high". There are too many teams in need of catchers on the FA market and only 2 catchers worthy of being starters on a good team on the market. Could be surprised, but him taking a low value/couple year contract would defy the state of this market. Depends what we consider "that high" to be. I don't think he is a jimmy rollins signing, But if there has been a position recently where soxtalk has overestimated the signings for, it's the offensively challenged catcher. But if the 8-9mm/yr pricetag that has been projected is real I could see us making that investment regardless of future plans.

I feel like the sox could sign castro and still be rebuilding. I don't think his price will be that high and it would be nice to have a good veteran catcher that isn't terrible defensively for rodon/other young'ns.

just realized how almost all these guys were on tigers. Had their owner paid out like crazy imagine they had a rotation of Verlander Scherzer Porcello Price Fuller A $120 million rotation

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-secret-service President in Grift

Callis was on Score today and mentioned a similar package from Houston: https://embed.radio.com/clip/61211517?ref_u...3&r20id=391 I would mention that his were strictly hypothetical, no smoke.

It's underrated how much things like an infrastructure bill could be used to coat the pockets of Trump family. Without the blind trust, the insider trading possibilities they'd have from knowing billions could be going to specific industries is ridiculous.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Feels like less talk about Houston as a potential partner than I would think. They'd seem to be a type of team looking to make a big splash and get to the next level - especially with an affordable contract like Sale (maybe worth more to Houston than a Dodgers type with inifinite $) The market will start high, everyone will low-bid, other teams will see lowbid and think they can get sale, the bids go up, more teams are now invested thinking they can get him, bids go up higher, winning bid gets sale. My guess for next 4 weeks.

You want a young upstart team like atlanta applying pressure with ML pieces, though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) Pretty much everything would have to go right for 2019 to happen. SS2K5, haven't you heard? Hypothetical scenarios always run in your favor.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) Obviously we don't know what we are getting back, but the top theme of all of the rumors is that none of the returning teams want to give up their top guys. Past that, you have to figure that the vast majority of players we get in these deals won't start seeing the majors until probably 2018, at least. A few of the headliners might make the team this year, but for the most part 2017 will be a wasted year in terms of major league development. For example, take any of the Boston deals that are being talked about. Benietendi is the one top guy out of those deals who will be here in 2017, if he is even available. Unless Bradley is in a deal, every other players soonest ETA is September 2017, at the earliest. Moncada, maybe late 17. Devers. Koepech, Groome are years away. Take the Dodgers deal, Urias is the main guy who would be here to start 2017. The other top guys, could start here in 17, as many have gotten AAA, but are most likely mid to late 17 arrivals. DeLeon and Barnes could be here. Bellinger got 3 games in AAA, so probably mid to late year at earliest (not rushing him). Alvarez, Buehler, Lux are years away. Realistically even once guys get here, they aren't going to be instantly good. That process typically takes 1 to 3 years to come together. That leaves 2018 and 2019 as the years we actually start to get an idea of if these guys are really going to be major league players or not, just for the early wave of players. Also keep in mind, unlike teams like the top notch teams who have done this, we aren't going to be able to spend once players do start arriving. The fan base isn't going to return until actual winning takes place. The idea of rebuilding through Latin America is probably also dead in this CBA, as the international draft appears to be here. Though even if we were to do so, the kids we are signing there are at least a half of a decade away from making their major league debuts. I read all of this and only digested the parts that indicate 2019 as feasible

Eh, they'll probably consolidate beer vendors so there is like one spot in whole stadium and we wait there forever.

That's scary, need some people that know what they are doing there.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:53 AM) I am not even convinced about 2020 with a real sell off. Yeah, gonna have to plead some ignorance here not knowing what we are getting back. But I really like our 2016 draft class, assume I'll like our returns. Much of the rumors are of players in AA/AAA. That could be first year they come up. Our budget would be super low, and could feasibly load up on holes in 2019 with a much deeper team. But, obviously risky. If we get really bad returns and only 3-4 starters let alone stars then this is a decade lost.

I think bears should pay Alshon, still. May even be blessing in disguise.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:40 AM) I almost always avoid generational talk - it all seems artificial to me. But it puzzles me how reliably young people DON'T vote. Drives me up a wall. Yes, it's infuriating. I think it's shedding the adolescent mindset. The institutions are inherited and present their entire lives, and seems almost parental. They don't realize it's theirs until they start property/taxes, etc and realize how affected they are. That said, I also haven't known many young people who haven't voted.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) Or 2018, or 2019. I think 2019 is totally feasible.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:11 AM) I believe every emotion is warranted for a potential rebuild, because obviously we haven't undertaken anything close to it. Personally, I'd rather accept the risk of failure than continue on our path since 2008That's what you didn't touch on. You're scared of a rebuild because they've failed at accumulating talent through past deals (to be fair, players with FAR less value than Eaton, Abreu, Sale, Q were involved) and tge Cubs have had fortunes turn their way. I personally don't feel we're following them as much as trying something different because as an organization we're in a rut. If we just continue accepting the notion of "going for it" when every metric available concerning our players and what's available via FA says it's unlikely we'll compete, why bother? Has anyone thought the worst what would happen if God forbid Sale or Q injure themselves in 2017? It'd set the team back YEARS....all for a team maybe battling for .500. They're our most valuable assets, and honestly, are worth more in trade value than they are to this team Yes. There has been discussion of "why would you trust Hahn and KW for a rebuild". That's fair. But part of their failure has been to constantly push forward with solid but shallow cores, often at 90% of their salary budget and a weak farm system with which to acquire. And they've done a decent job there - they HAVE added wins each year since 2013. But perhaps the recognition that they can't get there is the beginning of them doing a good job. And hopefully the releasing of the burden to make every move succeed immediately vs. some foresight in letting small steps back for future leaps forward will unleash a new part of their brain that they were much better suited for. Sox may be very bad, and may make all the wrong moves. But honestly after 4 years of under 80 wins, I've come to accept that the excitement of 78 wins vs. 63 is marginal. And also - the cubs are ONE team. They succeeded. Look at the Indians. They are a team with similar budget to us that has been unafraid to start over. And has had much more success quickly recovering. Unlike the cubs in 2011, the white sox have huge trade chips to acquire loads of talent that is further developed. This could be all a disaster, but we'll know in 2-3 years, not 4-5. Anyhoo, I quoted flash especially because he was the first person to scream from the roof tops that our farm was a detriment in 2007 and onward and I didn't believe him since we had just won a world series and all was great. Looking forward to more FT posting the next few years!

He didn't lay it out there like he had in July. Guessing he still thinks of Reyes/Wong/Bader+ is enough. Reyes is certainly great.

I'm confused about Braves team makeup. Doesn't seem like they are on the cusp of contention that I expected for a trade like this. Glad they are involved but confused by this one.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:23 AM) I wish we could fast forward a month and see what kind of moves (if any) have happened. Naw this part is the most fun. Plus it's early November, need at least a month of interest.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) Honestly, I'm hoping.guessing that his inclusion is what gets them to include Urias. Probably the Sox are asking for Urias, and the Dodgers are balking and offering everyone BUT him. Seems like a reasonable compromise to add Frazier (who is realistically worth a decent prospect and a couple flyers) in order to up the ante to Urias instead of De Leon. This is what I was wondering. Doubt he gets you explicitly extra quantity, but the high level guys you are targeting.

Kinda curious to know what Frazier is adding in these deals

Aside from it being painful, with the core developing fine, and just incredible weaknesses from their DB/QB positions, this really may be good news in allowing a franchise altering draft. OTOH, we've had two top 5 picks last 15 years and one was Benson and the other was traded back for michael haynes and rex grossman.

Love that all the teams you'd want to be in talks are involved.

The trade can be a blockbuster and good for sox and not just be a list of all of the top players under 24 in an organization.