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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) If Sale never signed his extension, he'd be a free agent right now in a pool with no other pitchers like him or even close. He would easily get an 8 year/$250 mill deal (Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs?) I just think the Red Sox would rather have a 40 million Sale on their roster with all of their spects than a $13 million Sale and a boatload gone. Have to see on the rest. The dodgers did not re-sign Greinke after all.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) I would just disagree with comparing their potential sphere of influence. Obviously not a perfect metric, but Milo had close to 400k twitter followers compared to 15k of Spencer (although both are gone now). I don't think Spencer is going to influence much of anyone. Milo and the others I have mentioned potentially could and if that scares people, I get it. Talking to people or reading websites to be allegedly associated with the alt-right, nobody cares about Spencer and 95% of them don't know who he is. I do not understand the focus on Spencer other than he's scary, but there's so much else here to criticize that I don't see the help in going after someone with so little influence. Hell Alex Jones is still doing daily shows or whatever, and this same group eats him up. The alt-right name on the whole I now see as an attempt to label the enemy, no different than those very same people naming everyone they don't like a sjw. I understand, I think what I am skiddish about here is that Trump has shown a tendency to not criticize anyone that praises him. There was no political benefit for him to continue to praise Putin in the election, but Putin said nice things about him. Same with David Duke, whom he begrudgingly condemned through spox. You have groups like Occupy Wall Street that always have a splinter group of anarchists. If OWS got people elected (they didn't), there would be a cry to publicly distance yourself from the anarchists if they were celebrating you and talking about their influence in electing you - even if they aren't part of your policy or inner circle. There is video of this conference in Washington DC praising Trumps election and talking about how it will bring US back to a European-white centric country. The thing to do is to make clear that they have no part of his governing, no part of his ideology. But that hasn't happened. It hasn't happened with Trump, and Trump has been very comfortable with Milo around as a de-facto surrogate, and Milo, as I showed, has not distanced himself from SPencer. Those are degrees of separation. Trump indeed probably has no idea who Spencer is. But why the hell isn't anyone saying "We condemn Spencer's version of America, it has no place in my administration or in the republican party and I will work hard to ensure America is a place for all." Ignoring this isn't going to cause it to whither and die. We are talking about neo-nazis doing Hitler salutes. It is insane.

Having flashbacks to when I dreamed of Marty Booker becoming our emergency QB.

I'm not anxious to see the Kyrie v. Rondo battles though. At all.

But they both support Trump, and both have a following. That milo's crew is more interested in posting penis pictures on twitter than meeting at a conference is irrelevant, both have a much bigger platform with possible influence to government. Trump has shown heavy priority to his supporters at all cost, are we going to see Spencer's NPI as toxic, or getting meetings with federal reps? It's not like Spencer was suddenly found to scaremonger, he's been reported on for months.

But you are right, Spencer himself doesn't view Milo as anything more than a fellow traveler:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/meet-the-alt-right-spokesman-thrilled-by-trumps-rise-w443902 OTOH, they are at a party together here at the RNC.

That's weird, here's Milo (or his pseudonym) mentioning spencer as one of the intellectuals of the Alt Right: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/a...-the-alt-right/

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) Sale is a slightly better pitcher, Quintana is very close and is under team control for longer. If I assume that each of them will repeat last season's WAR numbers, Quintana provides more overall value and more surplus value under this current contract. One game yeah I pick Sale. Trading for the guy and looking at multiple seasons? I have to say, I've been surprised at how little Sale's contract has mattered. It gets mentioned, but I think part of it is we are dealing with Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers/etc. That's nice, but the 10 million in savings per year isn't really doing anything for them. PIttsburgh/STL would be the helpful teams there, but they don't seem to have the weapons. I'm pretty sure if Boston feels Sale is too expensive they'll just get Verlander and not really care too much about it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Q fan club card carrying member. I changed my last name to Quintana. But I find it hard to believe the market for Q is higher.

I wish Hoiberg could draw up an inbounds play though (but I'm not sure if that's a Rondo problem)

I'm not about title case either.

Really against the all caps titles.

Michelle Rhea would be much preferable between the two. edit: isn't it rhee?

More of a "Quintana is very good" article which is nice to see. But while Quintana may get you a good pitcher for longer, we all know the market for these guys is thinking about their 1-2-3 rotation in the playoffs, and hard to say no to Sale for that.

Seems apropos of how out of touch dems are http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politic...-maps/94233560/

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) It finally hit me....the way Valentine plays the game, it reminds me of Deron Williams. Again, I'm not comparing him to Williams, just talking about how smooth he plays on the court, etc (although it would be fantastic if he could turn into a prime Deron Williams). Overall look / style...not necessarily saying Valentine has done anything to make me claim he will be as good as peak Deron. I mean they do have similar hair.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) Look at that schedule...hard to imagine how they would get 2 wins. I can't find 1 win on that schedule. They play the Chargers, Bengals, Giants, Bills, and Steelers. I suppose with the Bengals hurt and the whole rivalry, maybe they could win that, but I wouldn't bet on it. I hope you are right. If Barkley is our QB, the Niners game is still a possibility. I can't see us winning any other game, although you never know I suppose. Wow didn't realize Browns were winless. Thought they had won one for some reason.

People pass that article around a lot, but I have to question how good of an analysis it is when it acts like Berlusconi was defeated for good based off of an issues based election and not more absurd scandals.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) if it meant getting/was the difference between getting a Torres/Fraizer/Rutherford back in a deal then sign me up...Headley's not very good but he's versatile (me trying to talk myself into the idea)??? I'd actually like it a lot. Especially since if he has a rebound year you could find a suitor again. Man I'd LOOve to get Blake Rutherford in our system.

Well, fine. Sure. Would rather be 2-14 than 4-12. I say browns shock the world and we may fight it out.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) I don't think the answer is "Jerry being cheap". The answer more en-lies that given where we stand within the city of Chicago and where the fan base is as a whole, we have certain payroll constraints. Some years you can push past them, but there are real constraints that limit how you can go about building your team. We can't play financially with the biggest boys, but outside of those 5 or 7 teams, we can play with the rest payroll wise (some years on the higher side, some years slightly lower, but we can play). That said, there is a big drop off between the top tier spenders and the lower tiers and as a result, the options to build your team are more limited and if you do what the Sox did, it is almost impossible not to "half ass" it (i.e., give yourself a chance, but a, only if things work out as planned to better then planned across the board). Not saying a total miracle but most of your players are at expectations with a few performing over expectations (minimal injuries, etc). When I read that though, I can't help but think about Jerry being an "all-in" owner without the all-in budget. If he wanted to run like a midmarket team, I think we'd see something different, one that would have taken more seriously the cost-controlled benefits of a strong farm system. But he likes getting names, and he likes putting a winning effort, but within means. Is he cheap? No, we aren't the A's. But is he cheap considering the type of franchise he wants to run? Yes.

gross.

...do we take back headley?

Might as well, yeah.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) Loggains has no idea how to call a consistent offensive game. He just abandons the run game in the second half every f***ing time. Howard gets like 70 to 100 yards in the first half of just about every game he starts and then disappears in the second half. Although dude needs to work with the jugs machine Yeah. Bears offense isn't good but being the only team that hasn't had 24 points in a game is not a way to keep your job. Run offense has been a joy, could easily have transitioned to a power running team.