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The 2018 free agent period has potential to be bananas, No reason we shouldn't target that IMO.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) Adam Eaton has a ridiculous amount of surplus value given his 5 year, $38 million deal remaining for his prime years The package would have to be a massive haul for me to deal Eaton's 5 year of team control. He is a plug and play table setter and great right fielder. Thing about Cardinals, I don't really like any of their prospects, but I'm sure almost all of their prospects will come up and produce way more than we imagine. Bader is probably going to be really good due to cardinals effect.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) I have a soft spot in my heart for Jose, since he was the first MLB player I've ever interviewed. With Moncada in the fold, I'd like to see him stay. I have no idea what his market is, but considering Encarnacion is about to get signed by the freaking indians for maybe less than 4/80, i'm gonna guess its not good.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) My understanding is they already paid him about 20 million of the 31 million dollar bonus. The other 31 million was tax, which the White Sox won't be paying. So in essence they got 11 million thrown into the deal. Not quite as good as 31 million but not bad either. Also I doubt it was even discussed as much of a factor in trade. That was what it cost to acquire him initially, not his salary. that they spread it out is purely a financial decision on their end. No reason sox should have paid.

Gonna miss this:

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Just a tiny bit underwhelmed but not upset or mad Yeah, I definitely thought we'd get some more breadth to the trade with Sale, now am nervous how much depth we can truly acquire. Q will be interesting. Do you insist on a top 20 prospect or live in the 25-75 range where more teams have multiple. Wondering about 3 team trade with Pirates that probably makes no sense as I'm unsure how much they care about STILL competing next year. But a deal where we send eaton to Pit and get meadows/bell, 3rd team gets mccutcheon and sends other cheap ML-verging help to prospects back. I'm guessing eaton for meadows/bell is not what they are about htough.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) Abreu is an interesting case, as his contract/team control has maybe a one-year overlap with the Sox's rebuilding process now (assuming that they don't go scorched-earth). If he can stay healthy this coming season, I'd be in favor of giving him a very generous three-year extension. A healthy Jose is a real boost to this lineup. Fine with that if we aren't getting anything more than fliers. We don't have 1b in our system to block.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) He'll cost more than I want to pay, but salary shouldn't be a major concern for this franchise right now. They just cleared out money and will be clearing out more money. They have no one back in the Sale deal who will take over CF. Overpay him, fine. We'll need some ML players that we just don't have. If players are left out, I like getting one of these sluggers like Carter (more like Collabello though) and Gomez as lottery tickets to flip.

It is going to be interesting though. From now on I'm sure many will track Robles and Moncada equally to see our scouting in action. But, I'm pretty sure in March we will see Kopech as a top 25 ranked pitcher.

Boston has an incredible pitching coach, they'll know how to deal with Sale.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) I love this deal 100 times more than lowball Nationals offer. Now keep the rebuild going and do not stop. Yes, peoples crazy deals they threw out with language like "Kopech is a throw-in" (lol). We are about to have two pitchers that hit 102, one that starts.

Thoughts now that I've caught up: Re: Kopech immaturity breaking his hand - remember when sale "broke his foot jumping off a truck"? That was b.s. two: after AFL there were two players I expect a big ranking jump in - torres and Kopech. Kopech dominated. That said. I think this was a win for both teams. I didn't see a need for other team to feel pain. Ideal was Josh Beckett trade, where florida got Hanley. Bos wins their world series, as does sale, and we get a future star. I am slightly taken aback but how little got filled out at the backend. Expected another wildcard. When you talk about a player so long they lose their impact, but damn, Moncada is great. To those saying "why get someone who failed at ml level" just LOL at you. Fair to be dissappointed in this deal, it is not the "we took your pants off and then threw you in a garbage can" return we first envisioned, but we just got (in all likelihood) two of the highest upside pieces in the minors. edit: wrote majors instead of minors initially.

I WENT TO LUNCH AND MISSED IT AFTER STAYING UP UNTIL ONE LAST NIGHT

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QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) Yeah, I could easily. Especially if JBJ would be flipped (my preference). Devers/Kopech = Giolito/Robles, IMO

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) Mark Zuckerman ‏@MarkZuckerman 4m4 minutes ago Mark Zuckerman Retweeted Ken Rosenthal Boston always figured to be the most serious pursuer of Sale along with #Nats... Always thought Astros would be in, but hey, we are now where I wanted us to be except no Dodgers.

Three way trade stolen from poster jonathanrod on SSS that I like a lot and is probably unrealistic from Rockies (but they are the PERFECT team to stretch out for a run) Rockies get: Abreu Giolito White sox get: Robles Rodgers Ramel Tapia Erik Feede Carter Kieboom Nick Banks Forrest Wall Kyle Freeland Nats get: Robertson Sale

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) I know he got injured, but I was very surprised that the White Sox passed on Kyle Lewis for Collins. Time will tell, but I really liked his power Rutherford is a long way off making the majors, his ETA is 2020. That was too far out for the Sox to consider drafting him I think At this point I have to assume anyone the Mariners draft is going to be out of league in 4 years. Just a brutal stretch for them.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:37 AM) Let's say Washington hypothetically got Rutherford from the Yankees and included him in a Sale package. What would you guys say to this? Sale for Giolito, Robles, Rutherford, Stevenson, Severino, and Fedde. I can't imagine Gio nets Rutherford. But obviously would be stoked for that package.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) You don't go from asking for Betts 6 months ago to lowering your price to Moncada or Benintendi + Kopech + Basabe Moncada or Benintendi is a must in a Boston offer + Devers as a mandatory second piece + Groome or Kopech as a third piece + 2 of E Rod/Swihart/Basabe/lower level guys Moncada/Benintendi + Devers + Kopech/Groome + E Rod/Swihart/Basabe/lower level prospects is a fair offer for both sides You don't go from asking for Betts 6 months ago to lowering your price to This is no ones fault but Hahns. That is nonsensical.

Fan promotion idea: Allow 3 fans to shadow the GM during winter meetings, but take away their cellphone.

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) I'm higher on the Nats package than most, but this is good to hear. Makes me think there's still a legitimate chance someone jumps in, since sitting on your hands makes little sense otherwise. Though this does smell like posturing to an extent. Could also be Nats sense Sox may be shopping it and want sox to refocus.

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) Similar does not mean equal to. Obviously Robles is better. But they are similar still. I mean, they both play center field and are young. I like Basabe, but to read about Robles is to talk about a pure baseball player who is dynamic on base paths, gets on base in anyway he can and is intelligent with two strikes.

I don't know. I think it's overblown. Moncada was in AA and got a september callup for a handful of at bats. You like Moncada because he has developed his power, but almost everything else Robles already has at a premium defensive position. Both have good plate discipline and walk rates. Robles OTOH doesn't strike out. Robles was a 19 year old in A+, Moncada was a 21 year old in AA. I'm fine with either. Depends on what surrounds them. If we can continue to find dynamite athletic players like Anderson and Robles with the rest of the rebuild we could end up with a Royals like team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) More than anything, this team needs to play some defense. They are just awful as a team. The front line is terrible. I think we just need to trade Portis or Niko. Clearly we like them and want to develop them but Portis playing out of position and Niko being awful are killing the team. Felicio as backup C is superior.