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Honestly feel like Eaton is getting devalued by people because nobody watched sox. His first 3 months in RF was unbelievable. I went to 4 games in april just to watch him.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:34 PM) I liked the 2016 draft, especially from position player standpoint. The Sox targeted baseball players who know how to get on base. Hopefully this strategy continues in the draft. Right, I hope so. I liked 14 draft too though.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:19 PM) If nothing else, if these pitchers turn out well, the Sox could be looking at a rotation similar to the Mets, and they were able to get to the big series behind that rotation. I might be exaggerating the potential of the future rotation, but it is never a bad idea to 1) Take the best deal on the table and 2)Acquire pitching For all the talk aobut how the white sox current team was great at pitching, it really was paper thin. Our minors could not find us a competent 4 or 5, and was not even filling warm bodies into our bullpen (they were COLD bodies). We needed depth all over. I had completely become empty with this org. no money to substantially improve. Now I can see how we can improve, and we will once again have the money to make the jump in the next one. Honestly, for as crappy as we have been last few years, you learn how much drafts can be. Had we selected Corey Seager instead of Hawkins in 2012, we would not be selling. We'd have the following: Melky-Anderson-Eaton outfield Frazier-Seager-Saladino-Abreu Chris Carter DH Weiters? C That may be enough to get to playoffs. So we need to freakin hit on EVERYTHING from now on.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:20 PM) If their offer is competitive, with a successful rebuild they could really sell Bryce on helping get this team to the World Series. Ah, I love dreaming sometimes... Harper is wonderful, but Machado is poetry to me. I always wanted Beltre and never got him, to get Machado would be such a treat.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:18 PM) Well ya just threw in some names that caught my eye. Well, it will not be the depth. We now know that there IS a pull of quantity v. quality. And getting Rodgers back means not much more than that will return. I like the prestige of Reed but his cup of tea did scare me (and he had two). I'd be fine sox going after Tucker as their main piece from Houston and getting 3-4 of their low a level guys. But Tucker/Fisher/Stubbs seems very doable. Reed/Tucker/Stubbs realistic.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) Can you imagine it if the Sox with a minuscule payroll decided to go balls to the wall and sign Bryce Harper? Almost a zero chance of it actually happening, but the payroll commitments will be so small at the time, I really expect the Sox will be in on him to some degree. Sox haven't pulled trigger but seemed to be in big ticket items like that. Recently Tanaka, but prior to that Alex Rodriguez in the texas deal.

Great piece, thanks.

Also Baron thank you for filling me in. I had to catch up on work and then there wa slike 500 tweets and I couldn't figure anything out.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Quintana deal starts with Rogers, then add in 2-3 more (Tapia, Hoffman/Pint/Freeland, McMahon/Dom Nunez?) Not familiar at all with their prospects. If you get Rodgers/Hoffman, doubt you get much more on tail.

I'm sorry to do this but what are rumors around Quintana? Anything meaningful?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Cubs fans eat this prospect list stuff up. It is now the bible because of it. Apparently the BA list is even more important than actual roster make up. Well it did lead to a 4 year World Series window and 1 World Series already.

Well I will say it is clear that no player, not even Sale and probably not Trout, would see a team clear out their top 6-7 guys for 1 player. Sox fans undervalued how much it meant for teams to add their top prospect, more so if prospect was a top 30 guy. I expected more 18-19 year old wild cards but the top talent return has been as good as I imagined.

I'm surprised by ss2k5 calling this a failure but I think we need to wait. Our rebuild will not work regardless if the only contributors in 2018 were from trades and not our own development. Best news of day is bucket saying there is a big change internally. They are finally serious about something. They need to be good at it. Or else we will just be where we are now, getting lucky on 4 guys and garbage all around it.

You know guys Q/Rodon/Giolito/lopez/Fulmer could be a pretty good rotation next year. Did EE sign yet?

This is probably a fair trade but it's kinda meh for me

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) One thing about Giloto as a start of a return he is the best pitching prospect in the game. So technically we in two days would get the number one postion player and number one pitcher in the minors. And we still hold onto our second most value able piece (Q) for additional positional players, Robertson, Fraizer, Melky, Laurie, Jones, shields, etc we can trade for other high ceiling postion players. I think we were gonna see a regression in Giolito ranking in March. But Urias is best in game hands down. I'd put Urias Reyes Giolito Giolito still great talent but he's risky.

I think nationally, people would say Giolito/Lopez is a good return. But man, I had a dream of Anderson/Moncada/Robles up the middle. That's hard to shake.

Listen, I was dreaming about Robles. This sucks. But the white sox farm was equally bad for pitching as hitting. We need everything.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) Now everyone wants Robles. Amazing. LOL

At this point basically the only pitchers I care about have to throw ambidextrously or 105 mph for me to care. Position players much more fun.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Why do people like Robles exactly? From looking at stats, he seems to be several years away and generally has the same skill set as Adam Eaton. No idea about defense. What is the point of this? He is described as being a very smart baseball player for his age. Advanced 2-strike approach with a 60 hit tool. Elite speed, elite defense. His skill grades when added up are nearly the same as Moncada. Very bummed if we don't get.

WSD just retweeted someone saying sox using nationals to up cardinals offer is lol

rockies have to be completely out of this now right?

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) More than likely the Sox leave with just making the Sale trade. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that you will not get premier value for Quintana or Abreu in this market. I would hold them for mid-season or next offseason to trade. The guys I deal are Eaton, Frazier, Robertson and Jones. Jones would even be worth keeping if you believe he can close games for you. His value would sky rocket if he can be as successful as closer as he has been in middle relief. I think you'll get good value for Quintana, but Abreu is not in a good year to trade. Honestly don't think Robertson is either. Even with the 100 mill deals going out, lots are available.

Soxtalk translation at the moment is any prospect that isn't Trea Turner, Benintendi, Swanson, Urias or Bregman are second tier.