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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Gotta trade them separately unless MLB players are coming back. Turner and Giolito are MLB players at this point. Turner obviously is.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Sucks for the Cubs. They were going to go after him hard and let Arrieta walk. Messes up their plans. Honestly sucks for all US fans who won't get a chance to see him. Even if he were on Cubs I'd watch and they would be a team that would be open to two-way play I'd imagine.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) Yeah, I think Cutch is headed in the wrong direction. Defensively he's fallen off, his WAR has fallen for 4 straight years (including a -0.7 WAR in 2016), and rising K rates each of those years. They may have missed their best possible return on him by a year. Maybe but by rumors they will still do pretty good.

yes.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) Who says no? Nats get: Eaton and Jennings Sox get: Giolito, Robles, Fedde, Reetz Edit: I'm saying the Nats say no Nats say no - but that's what I'd like us to interject with.

Because we followed the team in March.

Why hire Haugh when you could just put a warm glass of milk on a stool in front of the mic and blow bubbles into it

Foster Campbell has outraised his opponent by over a million for the run-off election. I am stilll holding out hope!

I think the point is this, the white sox know what the nats have offered for Sale. They have the potential to know what the nats are offering for McCutcheon. If the sox front office really values the players being dangled for McCutcheon, they should see how much more they could get for eaton. Then they still have Sale and can continue to shop him and get a great package for him. You don't need to sell on eaton, but he is your "better" piece than McCutcheon is for Washington, if they don't have enough to pony up for sale but would offer a good number up for Eaton, it's worth entertaining.

Fair enough Jerry, fair enough.

This was very good: https://medium.com/@rortybomb/learning-from...3ed0#.aykpmivvd

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) I think if you can distill the response down to "he paid companies to move jobs offshore," it could be effective, but ultimately I do agree that, right now, this looks like and is being presented as "Trump fulfilling his campaign promise!" even if it's sort of the exact opposite of what his promise was and is just a really predictable corporate handout. "He bailed out the factory owners and they moved jobs to Mexico anyway" Obama literally saved an entire industry and countless jobs, but they tied "bailout" to it, so it's bad. Bailouts are bad. Deals are good! Happy for the workers that kept their jobs though. Perhaps we should just subsidize the s*** out of that stuff as we do with farms.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:59 AM) Is there evidence that this actually happened in any meaningful numbers? I thought the story of Trump's victory in MI/WI/PA was driving higher turnout of rural conservative whites while Clinton's support levels from typical Democratic areas dipped a bit, not that people switched from Obama to Trump. I'm not saying that there's no chance he could win a second term or even if it's 50/50, better or worse, just that giving Carrier a bunch of tax and regulatory breaks to save a handful of jobs isn't going to have an impact on 2020 and talking about discrete instances improving or lessening his chances seems a bit early because it's still 2016. f*** me, the next President hasn't even taken office and we're already talking about the next election. By 2020, we'll be ending the year talking about candidates for 2028. These exurbs in Michigan/Ohio/PA that were +10, +20 Obama swung equally hard for Trump. Also - Iowa. Part of this may be population change, but these are the swings that lost her the election.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) Some execs think #Whitesox are a sleeper to make big news at winter meetings. Can auction Sale, Robertson, Frazier, Melky under one roof https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804715080784998401 Yes I'm sure they are really "sleeping" on people, nobody has known they are shopping Sale

Also - love that Alex Jackson deal even though it's small chance to workout.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) She's going to end up with close to Obama 2012 numbers or maybe even slightly higher. Trump won narrow victories where he needed to win them, but this was a very close election in the states that mattered. If she got Obama 2012's numbers in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, we're discussing a Clinton win by a pretty crushing margin. Talking about a second term being increasingly possible when we're not even four weeks into what's been a dumpster fire of a transition seems to be a bit premature. The Carrier thing and the way it's being reported are ridiculous and a positive for Trump politically, though, I'll concede that. Yes, but history is always on the incumbent's side, and this playbook of individually meddling with handshake deals on small factories and promoting it like crazy is something that has been very successful in other countries. Why would someone that flipped from voting Obama to Trump switch again in 4 years if he "proved" what he said he'd do. Facts don't matter with him, the economy as a whole could be worse but if the voters that put him in feel like he is working for them then it won't matter.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Eaton has been pretty consistent the past three seasons, averaging a 5.1 WAR. That sort of player is very valuable on the trade market, almost prohibitively so. Right. Yesterday I pointed out from Keith Law's chat where he advised PIT ask washington for Giolito + Robles in return for McCutcheon. That's a package we've discussed for sale (heavy on the plus after Robles). That is a foundation for a deal I'd take for Eaton without blinking.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) They are buying low on Garcia and did not give up much. Pretty low risk deal, but he was pretty awful last season. He gave up way more home runs than at any point in his career, which is concerning. I don't see Atlanta being ready to take the plunge in a Sale deal. With Swanson off the table, I'm not sure Albies and Newcomb are attractive enough as centerpieces to be the offer that comes out on top. I'm not saying it's a game changer, but I think it's a great move for ATL. They are trying to land a big fish but aren't being complacent about acquiring the veteran starting depth that can be easily pushed out if their youngsters prove themselves. They have not come close to compromising their farm yet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) Looking from the outside in, the fact that they are talking about moving Adam Eaton to me is a clue that there might be some smoke to all of the clubhouse stuff. I'll concede that Adam may be a fine teammate, but it's clear he's in the Chris Sale mode of being completely okay with taking internal strife with management public. Granted - players are probably right about Kenny, but the circus they routinely invite of airing the laundry publicily is something I'm not opposed to leaving behind.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 11:26 PM) Have you watched him pitch this past year? He pitches to contact and doesn't have anywhere near overpowering stuff much like Danks before he became worthless. 3.57 ERA in the NL is not that impressive. That NL Central division has been weak as hell for a long time as a whole with the exception of one good team here and there like the Cubs recently. That would have been a top 15 era in the NL last year. Perhaps you prefer Andrew Cashners 5 ERAs which still netted him 11 million. They got Garcia for nothing, and are still playing in NL east. Not exactly murderers row outside of Nationals.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) Isn't trading Sale etc. supposed to change that? I understand people would love to read how Keith Law raves about the White Sox minor leaguers, but it doesn't always translate to huge runs. Giving up good players with a lot of control for prospects is playing with fire. A single trade is unlikely to completely reverse 15 years of bad drafting and farm management. The braves have traded 6 players in last week and none were in their top 15. The point of unloading some of our players at high value is to get a deeper group so we don't end up with 3-4 stars and chaff. Because trying to only acquire your talent through free agency and trades is risky too, as you have watched for years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) But you are pretty much hoping the prospects turn out as good as he has been. Considering his production and contract, I don't understand taking on the risk. If some of the mid level market teams traded their Adam Eatons before they made their runs, they would never had made their runs. It would have to be a no doubt blown away offer, or it makes no sense. Those midmarket teams had a deep farm system behind their adam eatons. We have a single promising draft class 3 years away.

With all of the votes nearly counted, it's clear that: - This wasn't a low-turnout election - Clinton did what she was expected to with hispanic vote, contrary to early exits So to me, my initial thought that the next candidate just needs to get the apathetic voters that missed 2012 was false. Trump's ability to manipulate positive media coverage and deflect negative coverage is quite frankly amazing. And this Carrier-style populism will probably resonate in a larger way than if any other politician did it. At this point, I think 8 years is increasingly possible. That said, the likelihood of impeachment is low so long as republicans are in house/senate, and that likelihood is high unless medicare privatization is pushed thru. The other key will be foreign policy, where I'm terrified, as balta said, that some group will attack a Trump hotel and it drags us into a huge war.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Besides, he has 5 years of control. Those guys are not available. We have a thread. I could go either way here, but with the way he plays I would be more surprised that this wasn't his career year. But I don't think it's obvious and it would be a joy to watch him 5 more years, he could just as easily be a juan pierre type that finds himself with a long career as a speedy leadoff type.