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Great piece, thanks.

Also Baron thank you for filling me in. I had to catch up on work and then there wa slike 500 tweets and I couldn't figure anything out.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Quintana deal starts with Rogers, then add in 2-3 more (Tapia, Hoffman/Pint/Freeland, McMahon/Dom Nunez?) Not familiar at all with their prospects. If you get Rodgers/Hoffman, doubt you get much more on tail.

I'm sorry to do this but what are rumors around Quintana? Anything meaningful?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Cubs fans eat this prospect list stuff up. It is now the bible because of it. Apparently the BA list is even more important than actual roster make up. Well it did lead to a 4 year World Series window and 1 World Series already.

Well I will say it is clear that no player, not even Sale and probably not Trout, would see a team clear out their top 6-7 guys for 1 player. Sox fans undervalued how much it meant for teams to add their top prospect, more so if prospect was a top 30 guy. I expected more 18-19 year old wild cards but the top talent return has been as good as I imagined.

I'm surprised by ss2k5 calling this a failure but I think we need to wait. Our rebuild will not work regardless if the only contributors in 2018 were from trades and not our own development. Best news of day is bucket saying there is a big change internally. They are finally serious about something. They need to be good at it. Or else we will just be where we are now, getting lucky on 4 guys and garbage all around it.

You know guys Q/Rodon/Giolito/lopez/Fulmer could be a pretty good rotation next year. Did EE sign yet?

This is probably a fair trade but it's kinda meh for me

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) One thing about Giloto as a start of a return he is the best pitching prospect in the game. So technically we in two days would get the number one postion player and number one pitcher in the minors. And we still hold onto our second most value able piece (Q) for additional positional players, Robertson, Fraizer, Melky, Laurie, Jones, shields, etc we can trade for other high ceiling postion players. I think we were gonna see a regression in Giolito ranking in March. But Urias is best in game hands down. I'd put Urias Reyes Giolito Giolito still great talent but he's risky.

I think nationally, people would say Giolito/Lopez is a good return. But man, I had a dream of Anderson/Moncada/Robles up the middle. That's hard to shake.

Listen, I was dreaming about Robles. This sucks. But the white sox farm was equally bad for pitching as hitting. We need everything.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) Now everyone wants Robles. Amazing. LOL

At this point basically the only pitchers I care about have to throw ambidextrously or 105 mph for me to care. Position players much more fun.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Why do people like Robles exactly? From looking at stats, he seems to be several years away and generally has the same skill set as Adam Eaton. No idea about defense. What is the point of this? He is described as being a very smart baseball player for his age. Advanced 2-strike approach with a 60 hit tool. Elite speed, elite defense. His skill grades when added up are nearly the same as Moncada. Very bummed if we don't get.

WSD just retweeted someone saying sox using nationals to up cardinals offer is lol

rockies have to be completely out of this now right?

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) More than likely the Sox leave with just making the Sale trade. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that you will not get premier value for Quintana or Abreu in this market. I would hold them for mid-season or next offseason to trade. The guys I deal are Eaton, Frazier, Robertson and Jones. Jones would even be worth keeping if you believe he can close games for you. His value would sky rocket if he can be as successful as closer as he has been in middle relief. I think you'll get good value for Quintana, but Abreu is not in a good year to trade. Honestly don't think Robertson is either. Even with the 100 mill deals going out, lots are available.

Soxtalk translation at the moment is any prospect that isn't Trea Turner, Benintendi, Swanson, Urias or Bregman are second tier.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:10 PM) For Eaton alone? Yes, they have the prospects. But for Quintana + Eaton they do not have the pieces to cover the surplus value without leaving their farm in shambles That, and I don't trust us to be able to milk enough value out of one team's farm to justify that sort of a trade. Washington is likely going to offer something like: Giolito/Robles + Fedde/Neuse or Stevenson/Severino for Quintana and Eaton I would not accept that if I am the White Sox Thank you. This is more tethered to reality. No way we package Q plus Eaton unless you get a premiere talent like Turner, in that case you get substantially less in quantity. I'd imagine for Eaton we'd get Robles, Kieboom, C+ prospect, Bullpen Arm

What is Gio Gonzalez value even at after last year? Top 100 prospect?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) Kopech and Moncada is elite though. Plus two fillers. Q/Eaton aren't that much less valuable then Sale (on the trade market, considering surplus, etc). Okay so Kopech is elite but Robles isn't? Why? Robles tool grades are almost identical to Moncadas with more defense/speed on Robles and less power.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I just don't think two top thirty players is that great of value for a guy who has been one of the best outfielders in baseball and is signed to a cheap contract for five years. Given bust rates of prospects, I don't see it. I think we need top talent + depth and need to get that in our packages for Q and / or Eaton. When it comes to Frazier / Robertson, I hope we get a back end top 100 guy for them plus some low level flyers (or maybe some arms we like that we think we can convert to relievers). Expect a bit more for Frazier then Robertson and think we get more for Robertson at the deadline then today. Nate Jones is interesting, but you wonder how much his injury history downplays the value he would have. The thing is we just had this conversation with Sale and he got nowhere near the filling in of talent after the premier guys that we all expected. I'm pretty confident in saying that if we take all of soxtalks mega deals and cut them in half it is way more accurate. Now, you may not take those top 30 players, but I'm not sure you get much more back.

We can say two all stars all we want but a lot of Eaton's value was due to RF defense. I have a hard time saying Q + Eaton make the NATIONALS* that much better considering they'd be losing a possibly better CFer in Turner and already have such a dominant rotation. And so then if we get back Robles/Lopez and 3-4 more would we be happy? I don't know. But do sox think nats prospects are superior to other "higher" returns? If they feel that way then maybe do it. I wanted us to target players we thought would be the stars, not just deal templates that say what fair value is.

I'm fairly certain Nats may view Giolito and lopez as near interchangeable. I think a fair deal for Eaton is Robles and Lopez. Adding more is unlikely. And two top 30 players for eaton is a GREAT trade.