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For a foundation that verifiably used that money for worthwhile charitable initiatives. You are asking leniency on a man who used his foundation for business expenses, political contributions and pushing himself into high profile events and taking credit. A lot of regulation is not about preventing the most innocuous common scenario, its' about removing traumatic tail-risks. Most of the cribs in a recall that you bought will not collapse. A small percentage will, but that will kill a child. We bring them ALL back. This is the same. There are reasons we do this, you are willing to throw out all of the things that we did for good reason because you think people are hyperventilating, but we aren't THAT far removed from a world where many western countries spun out of control in this very way.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) I'm on board with what we're doing, just saying there's a lot of excitement now which will dissipate into something different (the hope that prospects will pan out) Totally. For as bad as the moves were last two offseasons it was exciting to be "in" on things. Well, after this offseason it is only waiting.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) I'm not a fan of this method of analysis. Prospect rankings are entirely subjective, so attaching a dollar amount to them is only amplifying the opinion of a very small group of people- sometimes just one person, depending on the rankings. The one part I find helpful is it has been very hard for sox fans in these trade scenarios to figure out how much more it means in value to get a Moncada vs. an Albies. Even though there is a big gap there in market perception, sox fans were still basically throwing the house after them as all equal. Clearly if a Bregman is available we are not getting much back. But what about if Torres is available? How much does his AFL helium matter? Is Torres Frazier good enough for us? This stuff is a lot harder with Boston/Washington out.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) What exactly will it take for people to not make excuses for Trump? Like if someone saw a direct deposit receipt from a donor that said "Quid Pro Quo for Political Actions" on it, is that sufficient? It obviously needs to be in an email.

This is ridiculous. A sitting president should not be involved with anything that is not the government position. No non-profit boards, no positions in the stock market, nothing. It has served us decently well for years and there is no reason to allow Trump, the least trustworthy of all of them, to be the one to say "well it might not be so bad". Is it going to be widespread corruption? No, but you put enough dents in the glass you end up with a kleptocracy where business may see the benefit of a trump alliance with the business he pushes toward them. It may happen anyway due to policy preferences, but you don't want it to happen because of fear of reprisal or hope of special treatment. You try to NOT make that happen, not just throw it out and say "hey might not be so bad".

QUOTE (ChicagoHeel @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) Guys...I feel like losing Quintana would hurt the most. What is everyone's thoughts on keeping him? Maybe he can be the Ace of the next good Sox team. I initially was fine with keeping him, but we do need more position players and this market trading for prospects has been good to this point. But I do not want to get rid of him for no reason.

Well, the crazy thing about Anderson is his value may be tied to his defense. The hope with him is he was so raw and moved so aggressively, he's never had a chance to build at any level. We'll see how he does. His hands are so fast and strong I'm optimistic.

Thames was interviewed by Ben Lindbergh on the ringer MLB podcast yesterday. It was a great listen, hard to not root for the guy.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 08:03 AM) Am I the only one who is obsessed right now? I keep refreshing mlbtr and this thread. I need this resolved soon so I can get back to my normal life. I can't imagine how Hahn feels. No I am too and part of that is because we will have nothing to talk about for at least 2 years.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) TOR? Blue Jays pitcher? Top of Rotation. I'm with you, everytime I see it I think Toronto, but all of the kids were using it.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) No doubt there's 29 teams that would love to have Q but as you said, how many have the talent and willingness to part with the talent? Seattle could be the dark horse. They have the prospects but do they feel they can compete with the Rangers and Astros in '17 to justify giving up a haul for Q? Then again, the moves already made by the Texas teams may force Seattle to get in on the bidding to at least look like they are trying to compete in '17. Good call on Seattle. Hadn't given them much thought. Would love to grab Vogelbach out of Seattle. They have a pretty damn good infield no with Segura, Seager and Cano. And they have pushed the let's do it button several times to compete with Felix

Listen, I will gladly have some billionaire spend hundreds of millions so that I can watch Manny Machados age 25-32 seasons.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 06:49 AM) With the Braves signining two geriatric's to one year deals and trading for Garcia who has one year left, the Braves are buying time for their young pitchers to become MLB ready. Those signings and trade are not indicative of a team that's expected to compete. Just a guess but I think the Braves were pushing the cost up on their division rival, the Nat's. Are the Pirates the kind of team that would give up a haul to acquire Q? I could be wrong but I highly doubt it. The Rangers have already they won't give up the talent that they gave up to get Hamels. Hence the Cashner signing. I could see the Rangers showing interest in an effort to drive up the price on the Astros. Yep, there was a rumor a few days ago that Hahn was getting more calls about Q than Sale. That could have changed when teams heard Hahn's asking price for Q. In the end, someone will bite and make the trade happen. Imho, it comes down to the Astros, Yanks and Rockies. Also let's not be naive, I'm sure a lot of teams want Q at their own price. But at the price Hahn has set only a few teams have pieces and team set up to try: Yanks Astros Dodgers (unlikely) Rangers Rockies Braves (unlikely) There are some other teams like PIT or Seattle I think could pull it off and it make sense for their team. But they have not been rumored at all.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:16 AM) It also makes the Yankees need an arm like Q even more. He raises both of their needs for Q and can get them to bid. Speak of the devil http://nypost.com/2016/12/08/yankees-spent...ng-they-needed/ NY Post writer lamenting spending 100 million and not getting a TOR pitcher

Man it got boring real quick. Need moar

Good move by cardinals. Always amazed how their teams are so much better than the sum of their parts look.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) The sad fact is that there is so much insider trading done in the house and senate, except then they call it things like "lobbying". That's true but they are acting on regulation knowledge and other info they should not act on, a president can move markets himself. If his family/associates know what companies he's going to threaten with tweets they could make a fortune. See Boeing. Either way you could tackle both.

Good for Fowler. Love when players bet on themselves and win.

Meh, I have us signing Machado until some other team does

It was easy for me to imagine Q, Eatons and Sales offers, but the Robertson /Jones traded are where our scouts will make their money

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) I have difficulty imagining Jose Abreu as a major positive contributor in 2019 after his previous 3 years and that's the first year where I'd really be looking at Moncada as hopefully being unstoppable, so I mentally counted him as a guy needing replaced by then, or at least not as a major strength. I know we've been burned like crazy but still feel most comfortable leaving 1b power hitter as the position we find in FA

SEC needs to monitor Trump family positions on any company he comments on that moves the market.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 05:30 PM) Question for the board. What if Houston caved in and said they would trade Bregman but the trade would be Bregman for Q straight up. Would ya do it? Yes. I think that is fair.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Yes, that's likely where the confusion happened. My bad, I was caught in between discussions. Makes a lot more sense about Collins anyway.

It's hard to know Houston's public motivations vs. private ones. I feel like they are a smart enough front office to know Quintanas value. But in baseballosphere, seems like opinion is they have too many soft tossers and Quintana would not add a different arsenal to the mix.