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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) There are other threads to talk about pitching. Just sayin' this the Cespedes threasd. He was responding to a poster literally asking for a list of the tier 2/3 pitchers, chill.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) You'll notice that most of the mods aren't getting overly optimistic either Checkmate, DA

He's from Virginia.

The weirdest thing to me has been Upton's clear coldness toward sox. He seems crazy to limit his market even further.

In the Kim anderson era, mizzou is 3-29 against power 5 opponents. Against power 5 opponents this year, they have been down 20 points at least once in ever game.

Well. 3 days before frazier trade we heard frazier talks were dead. I'll just hold that memory.

Don't buy AAPL for short term gains as smarter people manipulate the stock better than you can. If you like their company and how absurdly low their P/E is, this shouldn't worry you too much.

I'd say I want news, but the reality is I only want good news at this point.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) I wonder if it is the voter who voted for Eckstein. When David Eckstein is on a ballot, you can't pass up that chance to vote for him.

I would love to have been able to say that I cast a ballot for Ken Griffey Jr. to be in the hall of fame.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) Bulls quietly putting a nice streak and offense as potent as we have seen it, Fred Hoiberg finally payin off? Yes, I fall for it every time, and everytime I remember that there is no sport where repetition with the same group matters more than basketball.

Excellent article if you have access. i learned a lot http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-...aluable_company

I was surprised Oregon police have let the men go in and out for supplies.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 7, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) This makes sense and is something the Bears should have done to protect Cutler. The Bears carousel of coaches on the offensive side of the ball and hiring defensive minded coaches sans the buffoon Treastman has led to a constant state of flux. Now Gase is gone and in comes a new offensive guy. It seems the offense changes annually. No. Nobody is going to look at the Bucs firing their head coach to promote their coordinator and say "Bears should have done that".

The three year thing is really so stupid.

Why the hell would you fire lovie two years into his tenure as every other team in the league looks for a new coach?

God Missouri is awful. Kim Anderson killed the program.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 06:15 PM) You were the guy at the Rec center that everyone hated playing with, weren't you? I was open

While I'm happy for him...who is the idiot that doesn't vote for him? That Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous says all you need to know.

I still think at this point I'd take power over OBP. I would have preferred Gordon, but I could not stand how it took 4 singles to get a run last year.

Can WE hire Ron Washington?

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) His 1.4 fWAR w/ Houston was in 2014. Not very long ago at all, actually. I think caulfield is trying to say the 1.4 is probably a better benchmark to look at.

Also, I say this as a horrible basketball player who could not shoot worth a damn... It is very hard to turn down open long shots.

This is a pretty smart move by Upton, but I would be terrified.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 6, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) The crux of the issue between the citizenry and the BLM/other federal agencies (largely the US Forest Service) is in regards to economic activity on that land. Rural communities in the West are dependent on extracting resources from that land for economic livelihood. That economic need is balanced against environmental, climate, and conservation needs. Most of the economic drivers are hard on the land. The not-fringe position is returning the land operated by the BLM/USFS to the states. The Senate actually took up a vote earlier this year that would have paved the way for this transfer of land (couldn't get to 60 votes). As mentioned earlier in this thread, there are significant costs associated with the states taking on that land including, but not limited to, the massive amount of funds the feds spend fighting forest fires on federal land (and private land) each year. The BLM has its problems, but the critics of the BLM and the USFS is economic in nature. Calling the feds the bad guy and those opposed to the feds the good guys (your category B), grossly misstates the actual issue regarding the use and control of federal land in the West. Finally, on the pardoning, in light of the economic costs associated with wildfires in the West, if the Hammonds were pardoned it would exclusively be because a bunch of armed militia occupied federal land. Even in the event that a pardon was justified, and the occupiers themselves faced prison time for their acts, it emboldens militia in these land use disputes. After the incident at the Bundy ranch, the feds really can't embolden those groups further. I disagree with mandatory minimums, but I've in practice seen them used in scenarios much, much worse than this. And honestly, arson in the west is a pretty terrible thing. Forest fires cost billions to fight every year, push insurance costs through the roof, and endanger hundreds of lives. It's a more serious issue than I think you are giving it credit for. Thank you, I enjoyed all of this post. "The BLM has its problems, but the critics of the BLM and the USFS is economic in nature. Calling the feds the bad guy and those opposed to the feds the good guys (your category B), grossly misstates the actual issue regarding the use and control of federal land in the West." I agree. I don't actually support many of the economic arguments. The grazing rights are already subsidized, and quite frankly, in a degree that would be difficult for the states to accomplish as easily as the Fed Gov't. But currently there seems to be too much tacit local sympathy of violent and destructive measures just because of the negative view toward those federal agencies. Usually when that happens, the viewpoint of group B is "yeah they went too far, but they had no choice" Whether or not is is usually patently absurd. With cases like this where: - The economic changes they request are a non-starter - Restrictions are likely to increase (as they have in last 4 years) A responsible way to still accommodate that population is to make sure there is a structure in place to hear their concerns and recommendations. While moving to the states would obviously also give it a huge advantage to reduce local restrictions, it's also evidence of a lack of process. The bolsheviks did not support the leftist parties in Europe, as their piecemeal socialist victories like 40 hour work week were enough to satiate the local population and weakened their foothold for recruitment and revolution. The lesson there is when there is destructive, adamant minority, the local population is especially prone to submitting to the will of that group. Undercutting that with some goodwill measures can go a long way toward stability. For your last paragraph, you are probably right. The likelihood is they have no control of what happened after starting the fire, and that it wasn't larger was luck. But, despite SS's claims, there are many reports I've read that they have a lot of local support. The father here is older, admitted guilt and served time. Frankly, to me, reducing a federal statute applying more time to a local man is a pretty good symbol to start some outreach.