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An obvious problem is also a shrinking market.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) I'll third this. The Sox would surely have targeted different kinds of returns than an A-ball catcher. However, it is a little discouraging that the Sox may not have engaged the Astros seriously because they weren't sure they were sellers.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) This thread is what's embarrassing. Scott Kazmir was traded to Houston. Scott Kazmir also plays for a Billy Beane ran team. Maybe Houston could get Kazmir cheaper than any other pitcher. Oakland operates in a strange way. The lack of backbone in this thread is laughable. Disagree, Kazmir may certainly have come cheaper than Smarj. But houston was clearly scouting Samardjiza hard and viewed him as a viable alternative to giving up bigger spects for Cueto and many spects for hamels. Now there are the Jays and the Royals, and we likely won't trade to Royals. So we have the Jays, who are more interested in Cueto. By all accounts, they moved from Sox because Sox apparently don't believe they are sellers yet. That's an amazing feat to continue to surprise me at our ineptitude this late into this crap season.

Blue jays/royals all-in on Cueto.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) It will be interesting to see what the Sox get for Shark vs. the Kazmir return. Personally, I hope they get a more advanced prospect. Do you really want the Sox to acquire a guy who needs to go through their system for a few years? If it's a pitcher, maybe.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 55s55 seconds ago The #Astros also had Jeff Samardzija on their radar, but couldn't afford to wait for #WhiteSox to decide on a course of action. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick Well there's some good news(major sarcasm) Honestly embarrassed

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) I'm not sure what this post actually means? Nottingham will bust because Flowers did? Nottingham is a poor prospect because he's a catcher? Dick Allen Translation you can use forever: X won't work because y marginally-related event in past happened and z (whom was not you) had a differing opinion about it!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) or that teams really won't give up much for a rental They wait too long. The "sellers" market became "not that much of a sellers market" pretty quickly. We will late until last day and get some reliever in AA and be like "well you don't know what the market was like!"

Confirms that I have 0.0% confidence that Hahn will swing a good deal.

Deeeep sighhhhhh

Watched this in a library.

Nobody is going to let good hitting leave anymore. It will still be a crap offense or 2nd contract guys.

Nooooooooo

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) Im actually surprised they can showed such restraint with him TBH, I think there is some changes happening. That Futuresox article with the pitching coach at Kanny talked about how they think prospects need to stay in their level to learn how to adjust. Seems like everyone in lower levels is on that page. I'm wondering if the Courtney Hawkins saga actually caused some changes with promotions, though the radical changes for getting all hitters on the same approach ain't happened.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) Top 10 guess 1. Anderson 2. Fulmer 3. Adams 4. Montas 5. Danish 6. Micah 7. Michalczewski 8. Hawkins 9. May 10. Adolfo D'oh, starting to question whether I just read yours and thought i came up with an original thought.

1. Anderson 2. Fulmer 3. Montas 4. Adams 5. Johnson 6. Danish 7. May 8. Trey 9. Hawkins 10. ...Adolfo

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) Anderson is at least a year away. Let him at least get to AAA. Pssh, rushing prospects before they are ready has never burned us before.

Can't wait for Andy Amito and Bobby Bonito to start producing.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 05:09 PM) That entire site/company needs to die. They've all climbed up each others' asses so far now they can't see what end is up. They have a lot of good writers, but it cracks me up that guys that ok'd dick pic posts or bear videos get on their editorial high horse when the bosses complain about a tabloid story that wasn't necessary (or even that entertaining). And what no one has really talked about is how Gawker themselves had a big piece about how outing people is not cool in response to that Dr. V post on Grantland. Yet they've outed people (Shepherd Smith) and this new guy. I'm not sure why there's any debate about the decision to take that story down. It went against their own group think. It was dumb. Who decided to take it down (editors or the suits) really isn't important. Yeah. I mean, I feel like 80% is simply a reactionary site just throwing stones at ESPN/Vox/Buzzfeed/etc, the other 20% is them...basically generating the worst of what those sites already do. But, it just kills me. If you are going to claim the high horse on the division between ad and editorial, you need to show that you had some ability to review a story like this. But they a) appeared to not review anything and just stnad by it and b) if that is the case, your ad team may have been making a business case but more likely was just making better editorial judgment than you. But of course if anyone mocks this, Tom Scocca and his merry band of idiots will drag up some story from some time ago that the person is loosely related to. And everything is awful!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 06:29 AM) 1. Because they went on that poorly timed run in late June and early July, they probably were hesitant to trade him until they were 100% out of it.2 2. He was actually performing well during that run so the White Sox holding onto him possibly did help him establish that he could still produce for a contender. 3. There are a lot of pitchers on the trade market right now and none of them have moved at all. Teams are being hesitant and aren't pulling out their best offers yet. I think 3 is probably the most important of these. There are so many front line pitchers out there, especially if you count Price, that the teams with starting pitching needs can wait on the market to come down. This is hilarious to me. The sequence of all trade discussions since 2012: - This is going to be a sellers market and sox have some great pieces - Sox are just holding out for highest bidder - There are a lot of players out, people aren't just going to sell their farm - Listen, the return they got is reasonable, you can't compare our situation to x team that got way more rinse, repeat.

Hard to disagree.

After dealing with Danks, I wouldn't want to touch these long term pitcher deals with a ten foot pole. Even with teams with resources like Cubs Yankees, it's still awkward for them to deal with an 18 million dollar sink hole in the rotation.

Can't answer red, I believe gates are 2 hrs before if I remember correctly from opening day. It will almost certainly be Danks. As I've discussed with others on the board, it is almost unbelievable how many danks games everyone has been to vs. everyone else.

I have been forced to follow gawker saga on twitter. I can not believe the stupid petulence of the editors.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Salty about what? I was joking with you raining on the Micah parade. Yeah his home runs have come in a home run park but you have to think those home runs in Charlotte will result in doubles and triples elsewhere Exactly, it's just illustrating he has more pop than slapping singles everywhere.