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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 07:10 PM) If you don't eat money, you get the pitching prospects like you got for Peavy. If you do eat $5 million or so you get the equivalent of Simon Castro. I don't blame them for not eating money. If you don't eat the money, I'm not sure you'll find a deal at all.

Wellp. I think this is all we'll see then.

will die if people take bait going overboard from Hahn comments as well.

Lol.

Would be amazing if someone claimed rios on waivers next week.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 06:10 PM) Here's idea #1, if you want to keep high paying jobs around, support them. Pretty much every single failed industry in the United States is a result of one of two things. #1 Technology making it obsolete. #2 People supporting cheaper versions of American industries leading to its failure. If you want American industry around, quit buying non-American stuff. I find #2 rather incredible. Granted US is a huge market, but if US continued to make lateral product at higher price they would have fallen down globally and the same issues would have happened. GM has made a bunch of money back by growing in latin america. There should be a huge emerging market in Africa. You need to lower your prices to get in though.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 06:04 PM) You told people that domestic manufacturing was going to collapse and leave the rust belt economically depressed for decades? TBH, I do recall him telling me this in 1945.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Moving costs (and I don't just mean the moving truck) aren't 0, though. No, they aren't, but there are costs to staying as well.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 06:00 PM) Wow! 250+ pages on this subject. "Other " sites don't even dent that. Good job Sox Talk! Well, it did stem from a 200 pg. thread to start with.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) @Ken_Rosenthal: Remember yesterday when @jonmorosi and I said that virtually all of the #Rangers were in play? List includes Garza. Rangers are apparently selling when only 5 back in division and 1 back in wild card?? What the f*** are they doing?? Wow.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Because no one in their right mind considers Peavy's contract a bad one. And they took it on by giving up a guy with a career .622 OPS...in the minors and nothing else of value. Really great deal for them. It's going to very tough for someone to top what they did. Except in every rumor made Peavy's contract showed up as an obstacle. While I'm sure many teams would have paid Peavy $15 mil on a 1 yr deal next season, those may not have been contending teams in 2013, but they would have been teams that also knew what their budget would be for the next year.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 05:42 PM) If the price was 2 very good near-ready prospects, who's to say Boston doesnt just go for another team's starting pitcher? Instead of Peavy? Well, not many existed.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) 30 years ago probably not, but by 20 years ago it was pretty clear the downward spiral was irreversible. I can't really understand the mentality of people who can barely contain their glee at the news that Detroit's bankrupt though, because they're the same people who pushed Detroit into the water and held its head under when they saw it off-balance by the edge of the pool. B/c detroit is just a metonym for 'unions' or 'democrats' or something else. It's not down and out poor people about to suffer even worse. But listen. The best part about the US is how you can move to different economies and weather all in the same english-speaking country. The downside is some cities will fall and some will rise. While Detroit is falling, Minneapolis is still trucking on with a 4% unemployment rate.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) I think that when trading for prospects, people overvalue quality instead of quantity. You can have one prospect who is a 75% chance to be an impact player in the majors. If you get four prospects who have 50%, 30%, 20%, and 10% chances to be impact players in the majors, there's also a 75% chance that at least one of them will be, plus the 15% or so chance that more than one of them will be. I completely disagree. I'd take one top 75 prospect over 4 200-300 prospects any day of the week.

We should make it a picture of the nacho helmet, the only thing that consistently gets me to the park.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) The only thing that bothers me is the Red Sox didn't give up much. Iglesias has two replacements ready to step in. I would have liked to see a Ranaudo-level prospect included. As it stands now it was Iglesias for Peavy straight up. Who cares? They also took on $20 million in payroll for next year and a half. That's why they gave up less. Edit: by who cares, I mean, we can only judge this by the package we receive. Because of the process we went through, I'm confident this is the best package we could have gotten while also unloading all the salary.

Rienzinho

I was watching Kirkjian on ESPN and he thought rios' contract would prevent him getting moved. I hope he's gone. We'll see. I don't expect much, honestly. That's why I wasn't that thrilled with a fire sale b/c our assets we'd trade are all priced highly.

Does the comparison really have to be 'Miguel Cabrera' or bust? We aren't going to turn Jake Peavy into the best hitter in the game without an incredible amount of luck. If he turns into a borderline all-star I'll be thrilled. It will mean we finally have a starter we don't need to replace, because honestly, I don't look at any of our position players right now and say 'don't need an upgrade there!'

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) I havent heard anything legit surrounding trade talks for him. However that may change with that fireballer from Boston. That guy has future closer written all over him. He has 'future tradebait' also written all over him. Really liked that acquisition.

Thanks for last year. Thanks for providing the last memory of me feeling 'KW is great!' in July 09 when he acquired you.

I am pleased with the deal. Garcia is a high-potential power hitter CLOSE to the majors and we got rid of all of Peavy's salary. And I like Montas a lot. Regardless of whether he makes an impact himself, those are good assets to collect in the minors.

Yeah I'll pitch in some.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:22 PM) Can't give specifics, too many moving parts. I can say that they Sox are looking for young pitching or hitting, possibly both. Also, a few of the names being discussed are players you've heard of before or maybe not, depends. Ooh I think I know who it is then!

The dollar menu is a loss leader, they probably would either get rid of it entirely or keep it at $1. Another reason why it's so hard to project hard economics on things like min. wage increases.