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Looking at what happened this off-season I wonder what the market could be for Boozer next offseason if he: 1) Stays healthy 2) Averages 15-10

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Maybe a competent offensive mind and line can help him out. It has to. We saw that giving him 1 legit weapon meant he would only focus on 1 weapon at the detriment to himself. This year he should have more weapons, more time, better offense. This is where we really get to see who he is as a QB.

that's essentially saying "we aren't trading Aldridge this year".

Broussard tweeted that Houston is trying to work out sign and trade for josh smith with omer and Lin. What a day for Houston if it goes through. Though may bring out worst of josh smith jumpers.

Houston has a great GM. Planned to acquire a bunch of assets to get a star, gets it done. We'll see if Dwight is still good or will be a cap killer for the next 4 years.

Fun hearing stuff that Asik is Houston's centerpiece of possible S&T with LA.

Pretty fun, and confusing, NBA free agency season so far.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 06:51 PM) Season 4 was the season with the school system, correct? That was my fave. Followed closely by season 1. Than 3, 2, 5. For me it's 4, 3, 1, 2 and 5.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) grumble grumble something about how GarPax sucks Clever. I'm guessing Golden States big pitch to Dwight is to have him remember the year he went to the finals, surrounded by great 3pt shooting (and their nice run a few years ago before his back (?) started bothering him). I'm going to imagine that scenario takes a big hit when you take away Thompson.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Warriors will need sign and trade to get Howard Is there any way fathomable way that we can sneak in there and get Thompson sent our way? no

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 4, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) So were they thinking this was only one season with that ending?? I'm f***ing addicted, that was 3 days, an entire season and I am staying home tonight to watch the second season. It really helps that I cannot drink or go to the bars, but jesus I am a "finish the whole season" junkie. Anxious to see what you think of 2nd season. When I first watched it, it was jarring that they took on new characters (something you get used to by end of series), and I just really wanted to focus on Stringer Bell. Then when I rewatched the series I had a new love for season 2.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 5, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) He was struggling a bit and Boston targeted him in game 4 & 6, so Q kept him off the ice. Kid is still only 22 so I'm not too concerned. He's so good moving the puck and at that number you can keep him around and figure out exactly what you have in him. Agreed. I think we'll see him grow quite a bit into that new contract.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:13 PM) I agree with this. But why'd you have to go back two decades to find shooters that you would want? Haha

I am probably in minority but I preferred Belli over Korver because of his ability to pick up dribble and drive. It was just too pathetic when Korver tried to get a layup.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:05 PM) If his star player didn't want to be undermined he shouldn't have needed 2x as long in-between games as guys in the NFL need for the same injury. Well, luckily for you Gar Forman planned for that and signed Kirk Hinrich to a 2 year deal!

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:00 PM) I can't because I don't know how someone can be "100% certain" that something "probably" didn't happen. Apparently your opinion is that Gar Foreman spends all day looking at porn. I'm not going to kill him over not completing a deal when they didn't have the assets to do it. Cute! No I think he spends all day undermining his coach and star player.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) What does this even mean? Guess.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) Saying we lack a sharpshooter is false. Whether Dunleavy is Kerr is another question -- though I'm not convinced that looking at the raw 3P% is all that useful. Dunleavy = sharpshooter. He has filled a role that we really need. Agree. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Bulls, but I wouldn't move heaven and earth to do so. Saw plenty of him in Memphis We don't lack a sharpshooter we lack general 3pt shooting. We had Korver, but when you only have one, it's easy to neutralize that. YOu have to have f'd up on defense to leave him open. We really need Butler and Rose to start hitting higher 3pt percentages.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 09:14 PM) Taj Gibson wasn't an "expiring contract", he was a guy still on a rookie deal that was due an extension. He offered zero value for clearing money off your ledger since his salary was still only $2.15 million. He doesn't really count as "cheap talent" either since he was due an extension that was signed/announced 3 days after the Harden trade. Mirotic and the 'Cats pick are both pieces that are a fair amount down the road, and there's no guarantee that Mirotic would even sign with OKC. It also would have been problematic for them since they'd have to stay under the tax in order to bring him over. Neither of those pieces would be available to the Thunder until at least 2014/15. That doesn't have as much value as a 2012 lottery pick that was already on your roster and a 2013 lottery pick. Neither of us have any idea as to whether or not the Deng Warriors deal was even on the table. I seriously doubt it was, though I can't prove it. I think Mirotic is valuable as an asset that you aren't paying for, however. That's where 3 team deals come from. The bulls had assets that may not have been perfect for OKC but may have worked for other teams. Sometimes 4 teams get involved. Last year for instance, Dwight Howard was traded to Lakers despite them not having the pieces Orlando wanted. This doesn't really prove that bulls couldn't have gotten Harden. Maybe not straight up they couldn't have, but I can say with 100% certainty bulls probably never called despite that being a GREAT compliment to Rose. Maybe our offer loses but you at least try and work a deal or bring in a 3rd team. That stuff leaks out, we would have heard Bulls tried. And as per this: Neither of us have any idea as to whether or not the Deng Warriors deal was even on the table. I seriously doubt it was, though I can't prove it. I agree it wasn't on the table because I doubt the Bulls called.

I hate OJ Mayo. OJ Mayo is one of those weird soxtalk loves like Rudy Fernandez.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 07:56 PM) How was the #12 pick in this draft "worthless"? Two lottery picks is pretty good, though the Toronto pick ended up lower than they thought. They were looking for both immediate and future help. Kevin Martin was a huge part of that deal because he was an EXPIRING CONTRACT and replaced a lot of Harden's scoring off the bench. The Bulls did not have an expiring contract, so they couldn't just "make it work". If they had to take back someone like Taj or Deng that still had years left on the deal, they might as well just keep Harden. If they were going to move Harden (which I wouldn't have), the only way you could have beat it was with a proven producer on a rookie contract like Klay Thompson. The Bulls didn't have that either. I'm fairly certain Taj was expiring at the time. You also have Mirotic who would be attractive because he is not on the books, and the bobcats draft pick. Would that have been enough? I don't know, but perhaps you could have traded deng for the warriors pick to really sweeten the deal. Rose-Butler/Harden-Boozer-Noah is formidable to say the least.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 08:37 PM) (who, by the way, was coming off a particuarly bad Finals and who certainly wasn't a definite star at the time of the trade). Even if this were true, which it wasn't, it just means that would have been the perfect time to figure this out.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 08:24 PM) The story I've always heard on the Kobe trade is that Kobe didn't think the Bulls were worth coming to without Deng and the Lakers didn't think the Bulls were worth trading with unless they received Deng in the trade. Anywho, most of the time star players are traded, they become the only star on their team. Carmelo forces his way to NY, becomes THE star. Don't give me Amar'e bulls***, either. Harden to Houston, only star. Deron Williams to Brooklyn, only star (still is IMO). CP3 to Clips, only star. Howard was the one exception, but with the commonality that he forced his way out of his current situation. Joe Johnson is almost an exception, except he's not really a star but wanted to be treated like one. We were never going to give him $20M a year so that seems like a deal best left undone. When you have one of they very best players in the NBA already on your roster, everything else gets more complicated for both basketball and financial reasons. We are not going to bring a guy onto the Bulls that will become their best player. We cannot bring anyone onto the Bulls that earns more than their best player. We can't trade for a star player that plays the same position as our star. These are complications. The Knicks had just given Amare a huge contract, he absolutely was the second star on their team. His back obviously crapped out but he was having a ridiculous season to that point. You can also just as easily state that CP3 was going to the Lakers, and he would not have been only star. And your last paragraph, I don't think any of that is actually true. If we did some weird 3 way deal with boston and dallas where Dirk ended up a Bull, pretty sure Dirk would make more than Rose. I don't think any of that would matter. (And in this case, dirk is an expiring contract and Garpax can have their 2014 spree where we land Lebron!) Taj and Jimmy are both pretty good assets right now. Deng with an expiring asset as well. Also, could have used our trade exception for Robinson, but I guess we'll just let that expire. Why make team better when you can just be?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 07:45 PM) First of all...the role of the "He" in this discussion changed a couple years ago. I'm not sure if that even registered. Secondly...I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what deal he missed out on. Harden was the best response and even then the Bulls couldn't offer salary cap relief. Are y'all jealous that we didn't get Joe Johnson or something like that? No the role of he did not. And to answer your question, he's missed out on every trade. And every trade yet to be conceived. And this board will rationalize it for this and that, meanwhile some team with real management will have worked out their salary via trading assets and salarys to smart teams taking advantage and dumb teams trying to stay relevant. And we will psyche ourselves into how a starting lineup of rose butler snell mirotic and noah could really pull a fast one on the (new super team)

Has Kyle Long been able to do anything with the team yet? I also wrote Jake when I started this post. It's going to be hard to keep the Long's in order this year.