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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) Then by that definition you would agree the Mavs were vastly better than the Heat? I'm not going to waste time on leading questions. Do i think the heat are vastly superiors to the bulls? No. Do i think the Heat's strengths overpower our strengths? Yes. It'd be easier if the Heat played s***ty defense, but they play great defense, and can put a 6'8 guy on rose that rose can't blow by. Thats a huge asset. And unfortunately, our PF couldn't match their PFs production at all. Do I wish the heat shot the way on the perimeter against us the way they did against the mavs? yes. But oh well.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) Rose missed a shot at the clock one game. We blew a huge lead another. We had the only true blowout of the series, the others we lost in the last minutes. We had Rose, Boozer, and Noah on one leg each. Noah and Boozer hadn't developed chemistry yet. Omer Asik had a broken leg. Our sharpshooter went ice cold. And we were still in it. On the season, we were 4-4 against the Heat. The only game where everyone was truly "healthy" was Game 1 of the ECF. Add a legit SG to this team and we are equipped to the take the Heat down. Sorry, I don't buy it. Closing games is a huge difference between winning and losing. It was the difference between us and the pacers, and it was the difference between us and the Heat. edit: I don't want to come across as uber negative on the bulls. But that series wasn't close. When you lose in 5 games, it wasn't close. I'm optimistic the bulls will be much improved by merely being together another year and being young, however, I don't buy that "we were a few shots shy of beating the heat"

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 08:34 PM) The only scenario I've seen involved Amare going elsewhere. I'm not really sure how that'd work though for two reasons: 1) I can't see the Hornets having much interest in Amare 2) With the new CBA rules, it's financially beneficial to become a free agent rather than sign an extension in season. I don't remember the exact rules, but it's something like you can only sign a 2 year extension right now instead of 4. No doubt. It's annoying to me that we keep having these pipe dream new york knick plans forced down our throats.

??? I haven't seen the reports but what the hell would NYK be trading to get CP3 while still keeping amare and gaining chandler. edit: i could have sworn this was responding to someone?

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) So the Knicks want to replace Amar'e with a 15-16M per year Chandler? Sounds about right. but you have to admit that CP3, Melo, and Tyson would be formidable.

It sounds terrible...but this 7 games in 11 nights type schedule...you have to like youth.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 08:50 PM) Right. I don't think it's so much the defense of other legit PF/C as much as it is the rebounding/interior. The Bulls were in the series against the Heat largely due to them being a vastly superior team on the boards and at interior defense. It also creates a problem with Wade and James getting to the hoop when Asik and Noah basically have no one to worry about. I would be very worried if the Heat got a legit C because it would take away the main and exploitable advantage the Bulls have over the Heat. A 33 year old Shane Battier? Not so much. We weren't in the series, we lost 4-1. Haslem completely stabilized their big problem.

GMs shouldn't crowd source their decisions.

QUOTE (That funky motion @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard Don't think NYK out of CP3 Hunt if it gets Ty Chandler. Ty & CP r close friends. Most likely, Amare would hit trade market. honestly can say i didn't see that coming.

QUOTE (SnB @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:56 AM) The leonard tap out rebound is awesome. Disagree, it started to work in the last ten minutes, but for the first 30 his refusal to go up strong and pull it down caused quite a few rebounds to go the other way. He's the biggest man on the court, bring it down.

That's right, I forgot about the auction.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 06:58 PM) Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard Multiple sources confirm @KBergCBS report that NYK making strong run at Ty Chandler..would have to amnesty Billups This would be a nightmare. The Knicks would basically hand the Heat Billups... their new PG and a gunner from 3 point range. kill me.

Battier signed for the minimum? I'd be more scared if the Heat added more legit PF/C depth...but to be honest, Battier is a championship team type player. He's a fantastic defender on the perimeter on a team of fantastic perimeter defenders. And in the east...is there any PF/C you really need to worry about? Amare and Howard...but those teams are just not that worrisome to the heat, i'd imagine. Sigh. This sucks.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) I think you folks should ask yourself a question... what kind of rebuild do you want? What Kenny appears to be going for... I think... is a 2-3 year timeline. That's what it looks like. He's asking for near-ready talent. The alternative to that is, you tear the whole damn thing down, and start building from the very bottom, up. But here is the catch - as enticing as that idea might seem, you have to look at history, and acknowledge that teams who attempt to go that cheap and young, typically don't create a contender in 2-3 years. They end up mired in for 5, or 10, or more years. Which do you want? I'm thinking Kenny is trying to do an Indians rebuild.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 12:06 AM) Unless we are signing a 30-year mortgage like the Pirates...ughhh. That thought literally terrifies me.

hilarious.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) If you follow professional sports at all, there usually is ONE reason & ONE reason only why players make decisions during free agency. Mark signing with the Marlins proves that point once again. So what? The man gave us reasonable contracts before, and doesn't want to play on a rebuilding team. Another team is throwing money at him. That doesn't make him immoral to take the best deal.

Since I've started the White Sox like a real diehard fan, he's been there. I wish him the best of luck. He deserves the money. He deserves the sunlight. I wish him the absolute best!

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) I'm usually pretty skeptical on Mizzou because they seem to start fast and finish slow. I guess we will see. So...they are like every team that has to go play in a tough basketball conference. Gotcha.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:16 PM) I didn't say anything like that. Look at the post I was responding to again. You went on a rant about the state of the center position, the current free agent market and Gasol that was very similar to what Simmons wrote in the article. You made it sound like all of these things are indisputable facts when they're not. It's an opinion piece that may or may not end up being any more valid than anything you or I have written. Who cares?

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) What exactly is ridiculous about it? The idea that just because the great Bill Simmons says that Marc Gasol is worth/is going to get a max contract doesn't mean it's absolutely going to happen and not a stupid idea at all? No, because it was a pointless statement. Are all of your estimations of contracts worthless, because they are predictions? Should we stick to consistently speaking about what has happened, as to avoid the highly dubious nature of speaking about the future? I think we should make rules about talking about the bulls upcoming season, lest we start bordering on conjecture.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 07:32 PM) The premise of the article is predicting things that haven't happened yet, so its validity is highly questionable. This center with "a legitimate all-around offensive game" also scored a whopping 1.6 more points than Chandler last year in more minutes. He's only been in the league for three years so that's not much of a history of being "remarkably healthy". And "center" has become a highly flexible term when guys like Amare and Andrea Bargnani are playing there. You could also argue fairly convincingly that Nene is just as good as Gasol, so it's not a "Gasol or nothing" proposition. Let's also keep in mind that a max offer to Gasol is 4-73. Yeah, that's $18.575 million a year on average. 2. Marc Gasol Prediction: Re-signs with Memphis (five years, $78 million) Verdict: PROPERLY PAID This is the estimation you are all gaffawing about.