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Yeah I’m sure teams valued those September starts astronomically

Ah the cubs. The only team in history.

Exactly. The “just money” logic was for stars. But when we are talking about a declining #4 pitcher for “just money” vs much better pitchers for prospects that have control, it’s less of a fun talking point.

I imagine the trades provided clarity for either the Sox or reds on cost. But with the Snell trade, a top 20 guy changed hands. So this won’t be cheap even if you view Snell as better, which both teams likely do

This is the level I think. ESP since sox can focus on pitching staff handling vs needing offense, there’s a number of guys there, not that many jobs, they’ll be able to get a guy on a minor league deal that offers them protection.

I have a hard time believing there has been any real discussions for Woodruff. But if Sox can get him it would be incredible. and re trades vs depth, I have a lot more confidence Jerry will open wallets to re-sign players than sign in new ones of this caliber. And this will be unpopular but I would rather have Musgrove than Gray

Congrats

I agree 4 years $100 million is too much!

Ok sure but what about the confidence-o-meter?

One thing I like about musgrove v smyly is Smyly had a velo increase this year. If that regresses like happens than who knows. Musgroves changes started with pitt parting ways with searage. Musgrove wasn’t a particularly bad fit for searage having already thrown a sinker, but they moved off the sinker and leaned into his great offspeed pitches. This article written last year lays out their hopes for their new pitching coach (who sounds a lot like Katz), and he ended up doing all those things and voila https://www.pitcherlist.com/going-deep-joe-musgrove-could-be-better-if-he-so-chooses/

The correct answer is probably yes. But I have a hard time giving up Crochet for anyone even though there is a high likelihood that dude leaves a game in April and we see him in 2022

Gavin Lux was the fourth overall prospect heading into last year. Kelley looks great but he’s a second round high school prep pitcher. He has a long road of progression and likely injury recovery before he arrives. You swap a pitching prospect for a guy like that every time. And yes, he’s a shortstop so he can play wherever you want.

Because he’s awesome

Seems like he started working high fastball + curve vs him previously working low and away

Ron Kruk,Kenny Lofton, Jose Conseco, Ken Griffey Jr, Manny Ramirez

I don’t even know what we’d have to give up for lux but it imagine it rhymes with gucas liogito

Dodgers definitely don’t care about having a surplus of position players. Plus a possible DH

If we give Hendriks a 4th year I’d just plan on trading him after year 2

100% A, where we end up with two better players

Ok sorry yeah I have Abreu at 17.7 so that’s using signing bonuses

Whether the Sox hit 118 is going to be down to arb but I find fangraphs has been way over inflated every year but never corrects

Yes to buy outs, no to signing bonuses

I have Sox at 115.4 with Eaton/Marshall updates, and upping the pre arbs up a bit based on some resources showing to save more.

It’s just incredible how excited I was for the 2015 team that accurately looks like trash to me now. We basically expected Jose Abreu to be the greatest offensive force in history for that offense to work.

I’m kinda ready for a new SP to get on about. We’ve had Marquez, Woodruff, Gray, Castillo, Musgrove. Maybe we’ll do another round on Gallen.