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Yes, this all-in definition is very important.

edit. Obviously I disagree.

Well, obviously it shows Rodon is a capable substitute for that production. Don't know what to tell you.

I don't know that he would demand more as much as probably demand roughly the same as now, the lesser $$ required to acquire him offsets the time you don't get to play him. I also don't think he is traded. Well I didn't say they wouldn't sign any pitcher....

Y'all - we did not at any point previously acquire a hall of fame player! This is not reverting to previous ways!

Rodon did not have a worse ERA than Lopez last year.

I uh, don't think he's holding the sox back. I think the sox can trade him and be okay. In fact, at the end of next year, the sox may find they need to replace him if he doesnt improve. And obviously the rebuild would be destroyed at that point.

...okay, so again April can be covered with 4 pitchers. There is no reason Cease could not start a full year. Carlos Rodon will be available, and has discussed even the all star break for a return. Is it ideal? No. Is it that different than what the Brewers cobbled together? Or how the cardinals rode a pretty terrible back rotation to the playoffs with excellent 2nd half defense? Would I rather that then just doing the puzzle piece roster creation with average pieces you all want? Absolutely. Great players are great because they are very good and hard to find. A Hall of Famer is available and it's not the right time to acquire him because we need a cheap 5th starter? Give me a break. Sox should be all over this. He's one of the best players in baseball.

It actually just acknowledges that 2020 is already short on pitching and instead goes after one of the best players in baseball, but your post does a good job of illustrating what much of the criticism does - it acts like $30 million evaporates instead of going toward one of the best players in baseball, who would greatly improve our offense and crucially also our defense. And then they should sign him next year.

Let's look at the rotations of competitive teams: Cleveland - worst pitcher ERA 3.79 Tampa - worst pitcher ERA 4.29 Oakland - worst pitcher ERA 4.3 Houston - worst pitcher ERA 3.98 Minnesota - worst pitcher ERA 5.12 NYY - worst pitcher ERA 4.95 Reynaldo Lopez - 5.38 So we would have the worst 5th starter of all contenting AL teams, with production most other teams filled with ML vet signings for a few million. Irreplaceable.

Ok then sign him when he's a free agent, but crucially before, he apparates into the free agent universe where he can never be seen again.

Okay, then we'll just say we are "all-in". Not sure what that changes.

You are the one putting weird restrictions around Kopech, reminder: April has a lot of rainouts and days off that typically don't require 5 starters Carlos rodon is also joining the staff around august You can also do some bullpen days as get-me-overs, and there are likely some decent Minor league signees which could be decent for some starts. I also don't believe Lopez or dunning are actually long-term pieces of core, so this is short term considerations anyway.

Ok, sign him next year. But if you are going to sign him next year, you should just trade for him this year too and add a year of possible playoff contention plus year of watching mookie betts in RF and quite possibly a great defense at that point.

I also don't think they need 3 pitchers but regardless, no, I don't think they need to add a bench piece nor do I think they need to add a bullpen piece. Also because I'm not a big fan of this pitching crop and prefer they wait a year, I'd be fine with a hodge podge grab bag of miley, wood, wacha, roark, porcello, walker, and go into next year with your new HOF right fielder, get an actual good starter, and have another year of depth to trade from.

You could re-sign him.

Ryu 22 mill Porcello 8 mill Wacha 8 mill or Keuchel 18 mill Miley 12 mill Smyly/Salazar MILB/ML bonus - 5 mill

That's the value of Rodon then though isn't it?

How do you figure 3 rotation holes to fill?

Stop fighting it.

Um, yes, it is a lot of money to purchase, but it doesn't require much effort to run. The valuations have gone up and up no matter the franchise. The Marlins could sell tomorrow and get more than they received the year before. Frank McCourt used the dodgers as a divorce ATM, ran a great franchise into the ground, was being forced to sell...and got 2 billion back. They surely don't want to have to pay money out of pocket on a year to year basis, but they can do so knowing it's not actually at risk. You want to know why JR is such an annoying owner? Because he came of age as an owner at a time where there was much greater risk that the lights could turn off. There was no influx of tv money and baseball advanced media money coming in. They literally needed to run it like a business to get people in the seats. He still legitimately worries about league health way more than any other owner who can take it for granted that they can cash out at any time.

oh damn you are starting to turn. Funny thing to me is losing out on wheeler makes me less amenable to the betts trade. I thought we'd be able to add a high end starter...now we still have no idea who that can be.

it is actually way more true than it would have been in the seventies.

Yes, football is definitely more straightforward and actually seems to wash owners in operating income. The number of family ownerships seems to indicate that. Probably the fewer games and salary cap help a lot there. But also that I'm guessing the forbes valuations of football franchises are magnitudes lower of what would happen if say, the pittsburgh steelers, ny giants, cowboys, or bears would sell at this point of the cycle.

sports franchises aren't businesses, they are hobbies like collecting art. And sure nobody wants to lose money on them.