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Well, they kinda need things to work out. Because they aren't good at drafting, or developing, or scouting. It's not my fault the white sox rebuild requires so much additional help from FA, but since it does I expect them to execute.

Clearly the white sox weren't in a position where meeting the offer was enough. Because we have learned that he accepted the phillies offer. So again, they tried to hit the bare minimum required and it failed. And we should all celebrate.

They targeted a player because he was attainable but tried to do it at the absolute minimum required value to the point the player went toward location convenience.

I'm in.

Uh, no. In fact one of my main complaints about the white sox was clearly anchoring themselves foolishly to a low number and trying to hard ball when it would open themselves up to other teams to jump into the bidding. And that happened. And all of the water carriers were saying "oooh, Jerry is negotiating, he's a smart businessman that negotiates big deals all the time, he knows what he's doing".

No, but I was quite comfortable spending what it took for wheeler because the replacements are awful, and you are going to spend maybe 3/4s as much for a player I'm much less likely to believe will be a significant rotation anchor, and that 1/4 flexibility is not that helpful.

They didn't put up, because it wasn't enough to sign him. Not sure why this is so hard for you.

If they offered 130 over 5 am I unhappier than potentially watching dallas keuchel and alex wood just because it's 3 million more per year than I want? No. I'm not unhappy. They failed and you think that is inspiring because they tried and I guess I just have higher standards for professionals in a competitive sports league.

You realize the sox didn't get their main target right? The thing about poor negotiating is it should actually be determined by the results, not the fucking game aorund it. The sox are at a poor position because they aren't known for spending what it takes and dick around every negotiation. They came in "big" and what...it scared everyone away? No. So it wasn't big enough otherwise wheeler would be a white sox.

I'm saying detroit signed one of the worst deals of the decade and easily escaped it, and it doesn't really matter nearly as much as the pearl-clutching here indicates.

oh wow a forum post from 2010 before they even had stras and harper and were about to make their first wild card, before he had signed some of the best free agent deals of the decade and then stole trea turner.

One thing the white sox should learn is they need to stop worrying about "negotiating against yourselves". That is what all the smart business posters say and the sox say and everyone knows. But I'd bet if they were comfortable with 120 and dropped it earlier wheeler they'd have been more likely to sign. There was a retrospective today on the dodgers failed bid to re-sign greinke. They had one number and dbacks dropped the hammer at like $50 mill more and he signed. If it had been a gradual one bid over the other, who knows. The sox let everyone know they'll match...they may try to beat it, but they have to play the game where they need another offer to play ball. Because the worst thing they could do is negotiate against themselves.

after getting chastized all offseason for proposing sox trade for one of the best players in baseball, looking forward to people seeking to trade for robbie ray for 1 year.

And, in a good example of why fans should stop being so terrified of everything, dombrowski got out of that contract, got ian kinsler, the rangers went on to win at least 88 games 3 of the next 4 years.

Unfortunately it's different because nats fans had a good GM and so it was just disappointment in getting a player they liked, not the constant thrashing sox fans have of hoping that luck will align to overcome their FAs incompetence.

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Frame this and hang it on the wall everyone

Bum is one guy who I think is not going to get his asking price. I still think he's more 85-88 range, so marginal but still I don't think he is a big escalating bidding war guy. I do wonder if he goes back to san fran if he doesn't get what he wants.

I think Bumgarner is going to be a productive pitcher. I think mapping HR stats isn't how things work (you don't play all games in one stadium and he may very well pitch to San Frans stadium, and he's smart as hell) That said...this is not the level of pitcher I wanted. We will still need to grind to find a TOR starter or get lucky.

this stuff is so marginal, 1% on half your income. And he'll have more games in states with higher income in east. It doesn't matter, it certainly isn't a 10mil gap.

I honestly don't care anymore. They just have to actually execute shit for me to defend them in any way. I don't care they offered more. I don't care if they are desireable or undesireable. I care that they targeted wheeler and failed. I don't believe in spreading the wealth in mlb. You get depth internally, you should use the surplus before re-signings on players you really love, not fallbacks.

They need to make this some sort of banner to fly at the arrow: "Capable of signing good over-30 aged catchers 30 years apart"

Fuck, man, that sounds terrible, the sox would have two top of rotation starters? That doesn't make sense. You should just go for the bare minimum.

Yes, but you need to also start valuing time and not just budget room.

HAHAHA SOX HAVE EXCELLENT ROSTER EFFICIENCY WHO CARES WE HAVE 78 WINS HAHAHA THEY PAID TOO MUCH FOR A PLAYER BETTER THAN OURS HAHAHAHA