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For the record my dad called this, kind of. He called me a few days ago to ask me what the sox traded Hernandez for getting him confused with Damaso.

Jon Garland for Aaron Rowand.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) They just dealt for Romero so he's not being traded. They'll never deal Figgins. He'll probably man CF while McPherson gets 3B this year. I agree, I'm just throwing crap out there.

Garland for Figgins and Romero, there all done.

Buehrle to the bullpen anyone? There's our 2nd lefty. I'm joking by the way.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) I know he pitched and got bombed in Game 7 of the ALCS. It wasn't pretty, I'm pretty sure he got nailed in the DS as well.

QUOTE(kman @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) oh thanks for reasurring me man. I do what I can.

mlb.com is just reporting the Duke and Young so that 2nd pitcher might not even be included.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:20 AM) Actually, the deals had Young and Cotts rumored to be in it. Neal isn't going anywhere, I promise.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:18 AM) Well, besides for the trade deadline when all he got us was G. Blum. What a waste he was. Agreed. ::Awaits people ragging on fathom for not knowing he was being sarcastic::

Well one thing we can all agree on: There is never a boring day with Kenny at the helm.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:15 AM) Quick note: there were rumblings earlier that Arizona was trying to get Cotts included in the deal. Please don't do that KW! No chance my friend, stop spewing your negativity.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:11 AM) Maybe someone should try to find a picture of Ozzie and Abreu golfing together last week?

Has Kenny broke the record yet for trades in a 5 year time table?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:04 AM) Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching. Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll). Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season). I know you're just throwing that out there but then again Scotty in center.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) I will say this, our MLB club is to me stronger on paper this year than last (doesn't mean s*** though cause injuries and a lack of meeting your potential or being hot at the right time always come into account) but our farm system is weaker (however we got good value for our guys, imo). Agreed here, right now our major league club is much stronger imo on paper but like you said that means nothing. Getting to the farm, we'll basically have this whole ballclub back next year as well so that will give us some time to replenish the farm and add pieces when needed in 08. It's very interesting though what Kenny is doing.

CBSsportsline said that the sox would add an extra pitcher but mlb.com doesnt, so we'll see.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:57 PM) Please no to Dunn? I think you'd warm up to him when he walks over 100 times, hits over 40 homers, and does so for the next 10 years. I'd rather have Dunn than Crawford on my team, but I wouldn't complain about either. I'm not a huge fan of Adam Dunn as people know, but most importantly I don't want Scotty in center.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:54 PM) Carl Crawford, Hank Blalock, and might I add, Adam Dunn? Would love it, meh, please no.

Done deal it looks like.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:38 PM) yeah and i like the idea of a possible ace better then a possible superstar who has just had sucess up to the AA level. there are guys who hit .400 in AAA and then come up here and never really find it.... let me guess... you thought willie harris was gonna be the next willie mays.... because willie hit .400 in the minors. he coulda been a superstar... no way... trade willie mays for someone like barry zito? are you nuts, willie could be a star!!! Yes of course. I actually thought Willie was the next coming of Babe Ruth, not only did I think he'd be a 50 homer per year guy, I thought he'd close for us as well, unfortunately that didn't work out. I really have no problem dealing Young if the deal is right, however if something like this happened I'd want to trade Jon as well. Brandon needs to be in the rotation imo and if we get Vaz for that proposed deal then you can deal Jon for a stud cf or even a damn good cf and a solid lh reliever. If that was the case the rotation would still be awesome and you'd be able to upgrade the offense and the bullpen, obviously that's a hell of a lot that would have to happen right there.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) HAH awsome get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing.... id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point. A possible ace, well Chris Young is a possible superstar as well.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) So, we'd resist trading Garland, and instead have a 6 man rotation? And the absence of Chris Young? :headshake This would indicate either another trade is in the works for Garland, or McCarthy is destined for the bullpen. Garland would be gone, I see no possible way Vazquez and Garland are in the same rotation.

QUOTE(SoxnGiants @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:01 PM) I'd hate the trade if Young was added to the deal, I don't even like it much if it were Garland straight up for Vazquez + Cash. Vazquez just hasn't performed well in 1 1/2 years, plus I don't think he's a good fit for the Cell. HOWEVER, Kenny has earned my trust as a fan. He's made excellent deals to get Contreras, who looks like a CY Young candidate, and Garcia and both at less than market value. Both have performed very well in Chicago and both were major components to the World Series, it's not really fair for me to second guess him anymore. I also remember Kenny wanting Chacon who has been excellent after getting out of the thin air, so it seems to me that Kenny knows what he's doing with pitchers (Todd Ritchie notwithstanding). If Vazquez reverts back to his Expos form, a deal for Garland would be a steal (assuming Garland would walk after 2006). Part of me thinks this is a negotiating ploy though. Fantastic post. I agree 100 percent.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Well then you should read the book again. Ha, well I'm just saying there isn't a gm in baseball who doesn't look for the so called diamonds in the rough. If you want to call that moneyball fine, I'll call it flying under the radar.