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QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) It is official. The Oakland A's are sraping the bottom of the barrel. Bottom Feeders Club Pirates, D-Rays, Royals, Rockies New 2006 Members Marlins, A's The A's have to be the favorites as of right now to win the West so I have no clue what you're talking about.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:37 PM) I'd have to imagine so...unless Beane has something else up his sleeve. I am probably one of the few who likes Bradley...he has a questionable on the field attitude, and a questionable opinion...but he reminds me a bit of Carl Everett. In fact, I might say that he reminds me a lot of Carl Everett. Fiery and sometimes outlandish personality, the occasional dumb on the field incident, but he appears to have a huge desire to win. I like the move for the A's atleast in the short term, assuming it's not a huge prospect they are giving up. I like Bradley the player as well but he's much different then Carl. Carl really had one bad incident that has stuck with him, Bradley has had incident after incident including clubhouse problems which Carl never had.

So does this deal signalize no Frank to Oakland? If Swisher is moving to first base then I assume Dan Johnson will Dh meaning no room for Frank.

This is from an A's blog, I'm not sure if it's a credible source or not but anyways: This deal will be announced in the next hour. The A's get Milton Bradley and Antonio Perez for prospect Andre Ethier. Looks like a great deal for the A's. Billy has done it again. But it raises a few questions. One, what does this mean for Frank Thomas possibly signing? What does Bradley coming to the A's mean for Jay Payton. What does Perez mean for Marco Scutaro? Great deal if you ask me.

From rotoworld: The A's have acquired Milton Bradley from the Dodgers for one of their top prospects, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) The Sox were built on run prevention (pitching + defense) because the market was undervaluing these skills. That is what made the Sox so efficient with their modest payroll in 2005. Since when has the market undervalued pitching?? Kenny built this team on the most traditionalist way possible with pitching and defense. I'm sure almost every organization has some stat guy that does their thing and that is obviously Hahn here but the Sox are far from a moneyball team, just look at their offense last year.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) and all KW does is play fantasy baseball. :headshake :headshake

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) What do we need? Trade Garland for a CF? Who? BTW, I hate you. Yes, no green. Maybe a CF and a stud reliever, not sure but we wouldn't keep Jon if we traded for Vaz, I'll guarantee you that.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) Damn you One of these days si, it will happen..I promise you. When, I'm not exactly sure.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) Its scary when you and I are on the same page on this. LOL I'm not advocating the deal, I'm just citing what would happen. So we're still not on the same page.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) So lets just say we do trade Duke and Young/Sweeney/Owens for Vazquez. Mark-Freddy-Jon-Count-Vaz? No, then you swing a deal where you trade Garland for something of value in a seperate deal. As usual you are completely lost.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) I'm really sick of the crap that gets thrown at sabremetrics around here sometimes. . There are plenty of stat heads on this site and there are plenty who disagree with those methods. You'll find that everywhere so I don't know what the problem is.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) So then the Sox obviously dont feel comfortable for some reason with Mac as the 5th starter? Something just isnt right in this rumor..... No, you trade the Duke and Young for Vaz and then swing a deal where JG is involved, then you have: Mark, Jose, Freddy, Vaz, Bmac.

QUOTE(chisox2334 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:15 AM) Payroll is limited. Joe crede in arbitration means he will get money. Piersynski arbiration will be getting money. Also, jon garland in arbitration means money. Theres no room for kenny to work it out. Adding vasquez would create payroll problems. The team is set for next year. Garland last year is 2006. If the Yankees are picking up 3 mill of Vazquez's salary per year that would be about an add on of 2.5 mill this year, that wouldn't be a problem.

QUOTE(Chek2002 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 09:12 AM) I think Kenny should do this. Getting Vazquez would not be that big of down grade. You have to keep in mind Contreras and Garland both can walk after this season. This would give us something back, we will not get anything but a couple of draft picks if they walk. Trading one of the two would allow the White Sox to concentrate on signing the other next offseason. It would be hard for the Sox to sign two of the better free agents next offseason. I would rather it be Contreras in the deal, since he is older and more of a risk long term Welcome.

USCF.

Not a big fan of Vazquez at all and trading Jose is a 100 percent no no imo considering I think he'll be our best pitcher next year. If this happens it obviously means Kenny has no confidence Jon would come back next year. I wouldn't be a fan of trading Jon to get Javier at all but I'm backing up Kenny 100 percent this year, if he thinks he sees something in Vazquez then I'll go along with it. I trust Kenny completely.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 11:17 PM) Yes, I know, but he refers to McCarthy and Jenks...both of which came from the Sox minors. It just doesnt fit to me. If he wanted to talk about additions to the 2005 season, why didnt he mention AJ or Pods or Duke or Dye? Most likely because they actually had Iguchi ranked as one of our top 10 prospects last year(number 8 iirc).

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) You guys say these hyperbolic (is that a word?) statements liek "carried the offense" but thats bulls***. He didn't hit for power, he didn't knock in runs, he didn't walk, he can't play defense and at best he's lockerroom neutral. Just because he was on a championship team doesn't mean that he helped. Another DH around league average would have done more than Jurassic did. He knocked in 87 runs, that's not bad at all. He was the only hitter in the middle of the lineup that could hit the ball at the beginning of the year when Paul and Dye were hitting below the mendoza line. Also, he wasn't neutral in the clubhouse, he was one of the leaders in there along with Mark, Paul and AJP. Carl was actually very well liked on this team.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 09:25 PM) He only led our team in BA with runners in scoring position for the season. He carried us on offense for the first couple of months when we built our lead and Paul and the crew were struggling on offense. And he was never a "jerk" with the Sox. ^^^

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 07:21 PM) with classes like that, i'd think you were going to SIU or something. This is what you learn at U of I: How to tell horrible, horrible jokes.

Wow, fantastic deal for Texas.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 02:50 AM) Dye only signed a 2 year contract so I dont think he will return.... And yes we will still have enough pieces to win but hopefully we can figure something out with Garland and even Contreras. Dye has a 6 million dollar team option for next season. As long as he produces like last year it'll be picked up.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 02:16 AM) On the whole, I think that El Duque could be more effective out of the bullpen than Marte. But lefties absolutely destroy El Duque. When he was in the rotation they sure did. In his brief stint in the pen he did just fine against them though. Adding 3 mph or so to his fastball in the pen is just so huge as it also makes his breaking junk more effective. Obviously he's not a sure thing but I'm much more confident in him then I was or would be with Damaso.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 12, 2005 -> 02:16 AM) Next season if you think about it could almost be a re-building season....could have Josh Fields, Chris Young, Jerry Owens all starting and Brian Anderson in only his 2nd year. A course if we keep the pitching in tact that would prob still be enough to make the playoffs possibly. Also if Joe wants to get paid I want to see him produce with the bat for a whole season not just 3 out of 5 months... Dye will be here in 07 as long as he produces like he did last year. You might have some youngins next season but you still have one hell of a core: Paul, Thome, Gooch, AJ(he'll be back), juan, dye, mark, bmac, freddy, bobby, neal. Not bad.