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I want to say first that I love the idea of Tracey coming out of the bullpen. I don't think much of him as a starting pitching propsect but I think he can be damn solid out of the pen especially being the last guy out of the pen to replace Viz.

Think it would be a bad idea to pull an all nighter when you have a 10 o'clock final that morning?

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:26 AM) Mike Porzio signed an autograph for me, and the guy wreaked of a bottle of jim beam. Congrats, you might be the only person in the world who asked Mike Porzio for an autograph.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:50 AM) It means my prediction of December 27th could be spot on. All I need is Garland trade and I'll be in the driver's seat. Horray. :sleep

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:45 AM) and I just think everyone is expecting him to have another great season, which I think is a little unrealistic. I don't see why at all. That being said I was completely opposed to trading him unless another starter was acquired, obviously one was and now I have no problem dealing him for the right package or player.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) I've been a supporter of Jon Garland for a long time, as many Soxtalk veterans can attest to. However, I have never believed Jon wanted to make it career in silver and black. Why is Kenny probably going to trade Garland? Let's look at AJ Burnett vs. Garland. I may be slightly off on some of this as I'm going from memory. Burnett is 29, Garland 26. They've had the same number of big league seasons. Garland has about 15 more career wins than Burnett. Burnett got sent home by his team last season. Burnett has had arm problems leading to DL time while Garland has pitched 200+ innings every year since he stepped in as a rotation fixture. Who's more valuable, Garland or Burnett? Burnett just signed a 5 year $55 million contract. What would Garland command. he can use all those points in his negotiations. Is 7 years at $12 million per extravagant in comparison? Garland can make a logical argument for it in my opinion. Is JR going to sign him to a 7 year $84 million contract? I seriously doubt it. I think the reason KW is looking to trade Garland is pretty self evident. Great Post yas, summed it up perfectly.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:48 AM) Charles johnson was the first sox autograph i ever got at a game. Josh Paul From my town, went to a bad high school though. Keep the catcher theme going, Mark Johnson.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) Mike Caruso. Kalapse. Brook Fordyce.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) -I'll post the name of a relatively obscure white sox player from the past -you post a memory/moment that you remember about him -you post your own player I'll get it started with....... LORENZO BARCELO Injuries, that's honestly the one thing I remember about him because I really thought he was going to be a very solid pitcher. MIKE PORZIO.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:21 AM) so we can all piss and whine and f***ing cry over every little pissant move our GM makes? damn... how soon you morons forget what we just accomplished. ENJOY what is happening... and realize that management is not sitting on their ass while everyone gets better, we are getting a LOT better. It's funny cause most of the contenders in the AL have not got that much better yet the team who just won the world series has got much better. Kenny knows what he's doing and he's doing a hell of a job making this team a legit WS contender this year and beyond.

Expect the unexpected. I really have no clue what is going to happen next.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) Even though I like the moves that Kenny has made thus far, I can see where you're coming from. I have no idea why people are flipping out, though. So what, the dude is sentimental. Don't let that stop you from responding with some classless nonsense. It's more the fact that he's calling Kenny Williams evil for trying to improve the team, that's ridiculous. I think all of us are going to miss certain players that are now gone but I want to f***in win this thing again, last October was to damn fun, I want that again.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:12 PM) I know they added Beckett, but they have lost Renteria and it looks like they will lose Damon and possibly Manny. Mueller is gone and Schilling is one year older. How have they improved? And the Blue Jays? Come on, they're the Blue Jays. The Angels used to scare me, but we proved that we can dominate them (even though they were Colon-less). That only leaves Oakland and the Yankees as the teams that look like threats. Oakland never succeeds in the playoffs and the Yankees have been finding ways to lose with all that talent, so I don't see anyone but ourselves in the way of a second straight pennant. If you don't think Boston has improved then the Yankees sure as hell haven't. Neither of those teams scare me to be honest. The A's are going to be good but they do not scare me come playoff time, to be honest the two teams that scare me the most in the AL are in our own division, Twins moreso then the Tribe.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) Every one of them except Frank contributed, thats how that team worked. Sure they all contributed but outside of Aaron none of them were important to this team at all. We've got rid of our 3 worst pitchers and have added a guy with a number 1's arm, one of the better lh hitters in baseball and one of best utility guys in the game. Right now this team is much better then lasts on paper.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) Intellectually I know you guys have a good case. But after years and years and years of failure this group of guys put it all together - so KW responds by tearing them apart. He's not tearing anything apart, we've lost 1 guy who played a major role for this team last year.

f*** YOU KENNY WILLIAMS, f*** YOU FOR BRINGING US THAT WORLD TITLE AND f*** YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER. I CANT BELEVE YOU WOULD TRADE THE GREAT EL DUQUE, MY GAWD. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Grain of salt. Right now..yes obviously Bmac is in the pen but just cause the Sox say they want to keep all 6, means nada at this point.

Worst. Thread. Ever.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) He's a future 30/30 and possibly 40/40 guy. Guaranteed.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) KW makes mistakes once in a while. Last year everything worked out perfectly, even the greatest GMs don't have that happen too often. I do think if he trades him it will be to the NL or to a second or third tier team in the AL. He wouldn't want Garland to bite him in the ass next season. Every gm makes mistakes so sure he's going to make some, but my point is that he's closer to the Garland situation then we are and he obviously feels that he offered Jon a fair contract and now he has to move on.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) Just look what Beane got for Mulder is all I have to say about that. and dont look at what he got for Huddy.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Can someone recap some of this thread? I want to know opinions without spending and hour reading all of this. A lot of people like the deal, some don't, sf1 doesn't like the yankees.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Evidently not accepting the team's first proposal for a contract extension, believed to be 3 years/24 million means you don't want to play for the White Sox according to Soxtalk. A lot of people are speculating on what Garland would command in the open market, and the figures on this board are so much higher than the White Sox reported offer, he would be a fool to accept said offer. Well considering Kenny believes that he needs to move on from Jon I think I'll go along with him, considering he's a little closer to the situation then we are.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one. It's not like the Sox are adding bad guys here.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) That's propaganda.