Rowand44

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 04:39 PM) Frank is Healthy ok, I said it. Now what? Boo.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Explain why? They have a lot of money - new cable network starting. They need a big bat, and they'd love to fill in that bat at 1b. I wouldn't want to go to NY either, but if they're the only ones meeting his price, which they may very well be... I don't think Paul wants to go to an east coast team, I think the Mets are going to be first looking at the Billy Wagners of the world, also I think Manaya(sp?) will get caught up in the whole manny situation and not make a big play at Paul. I obviously could be wrong I just dont see him ending up on the mets.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) I wouldn't count the Mets out just yet. I don't think there is a chance that he goes to the Mets.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Red sox are out of the hunt for konerko and were never players for him in my opnion anyway. Agreed here, it'll be us or the Angels.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) AH HA!! So it's Ozzie that hates Paul, not Frank... or maybe it's Frank also. They are all ganging up on Paul... they all hate him. It's all Paul's fault, haven't we been over this?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) We need power. We're losing 40 homers. Contrary to what the media wants you to believe, we won because we hit a lot of homers, and caught everything and anything hit in the park, and pitched awesome. And you know what -- I love it. Ozzie consolidated the OBP we did have at the top of the order with Iguchi and Podsednik, and, other then maybe sticking with Everett too long in the three spot, he did an awesome job of lineup construction. But, I'm getting off topic. Even if Rogo and Gload were to have a peak year next season, I doubt either of them would reach 20 homers. Lots of doubles, but we need lots of power. Long story short, I'm rooting hard for Carlos Delgado. He's a better hitter than Konerko has been, and is that big lefty bad we really need. He had a .981 OPS last year, playing half his games in Florida, along with the other notorious pitchers parks of the NL East (RFK, Shea). He'd be such a great pickup... For the most part in the playoffs your right we did just hit the crap out of the ball and hit a bunch of homeruns. However, what also made this team so good is that if we did have to manufacture a run in a close ball game we were able to do it(game 2 of the alcs and game 4 of the series come to mind). That being said I agree with you if Paul leaves we have to find another power bat for the middle of the order, can't just throw Ross out there and expect AJP to hit 4th or something like that.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) Daigle is gone because well...he's not very good, Rogo is still a year away if he ever gets a shot to be a starter and as much as I like Gload there is no chance the sox give him a shot to be an everyday player. If Paul is gone you'll either see a trade for a first baseman or Jermaine moving to first and finding another power bat in the outfield. I thought I did QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) Someone tell this guy that Daigle is no longer with the sox organization, thanks

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) OK, so I don't watch these guys play much (other than Gload), but... Daigle is not very good? He just won an award that is basically MVP in his league! I don't know much about Rogo, but the one scouting report I found was awfully good. And Gload is probably ready, though he apparently has some personality issues to work out with Ozzie. Daigle was a 26 year old who dominated high A ball and then struggled in aaa, not very impressive. Rogo most likely is going to have to develop some more power if he ever gets a shot to be an everday player in the major leagues and Ross isn't a prospect.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 01:48 PM) If Konerko leaves... And Thomas is healthy... Then give 1B up to a contest between our minor league starting 1B's, who are all among the best at their levels: Gload, Rogowski, or Daigle. Let them duke it out in spring training. Let the best man win. Now if Thomas is also gone next year, then I'm less apt to lean on an exposed rookie that way. But even then, if we go get a solid bat for DH/1B, I still think the other spot should go in-house as I stated above. Heck, even if Thomas and Konerko are both back, I'd still say we should have one of those three guys on the roster. It just seems a shame that we are looking outside the organization so completely when we are so well-stacked at 1B in our own system. They've gotta get a shot sometime! Daigle is gone because well...he's not very good, Rogo is still a year away if he ever gets a shot to be a starter and as much as I like Gload there is no chance the sox give him a shot to be an everyday player. If Paul is gone you'll either see a trade for a first baseman or Jermaine moving to first and finding another power bat in the outfield.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) (Clement and Ortiz come to mind) And Eric Milton and Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano and Jon Lieber.....yuck.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) How good would he look in Yankee pinstripes? Awful.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) I think if hes not signed long term before arbitration then the sox will look to move him this offseason becuase he could get between 7-10 mil in arbitration, hes not Johan Santana (he makes 10). We dont want him heading into free agency with a starting salary of between 7-10 mil, there would be no way to resign him then. The deal needs to get down now. By the way Buehrle is a potential FA after 2006 as well, I would like to see KW do what he did with Freddy and the 3 year extension at 27 mil. That would be great for MB and eventuall for Garland after he finishes his first 3 year deal, just like MB. Jon would get no where near 10 mill in arbitration. If he goes to arbitration which I highly doubt he'll get around 6-7

I got a feeling we win this game 1-0 on a Jhonny Peralta error.

I haven't read through this whole thread so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but to me this doesn't mean much. It's simply his agent trying to drive up the market for him, I highly doubt he gets a 6 or 7 year deal. I believe Paul will end up on the Angels or will end up staying here for either 4 or 5 years, 6 or 7 just isn't happening imo.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 3, 2005 -> 02:04 AM) Hermanson still wasn't striking anyone out when he was healthy earlier in the season. Relievers that put the ball in play that much aren't going to maintain a 2.00 ERA over the years. The defense behind him either won't always make the plays or won't be in the position to make the plays. Those hard hit shots that Hermanson allows will find holes sooner or later. When he was healthy he wasn't getting hit hard, just because you dont strike guys out doesn't mean you can't be a great relief pitcher. Like I said before we have a great defense so balls in play really aren't a problem.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 11:30 PM) Maybe not 95...but he was in the general range. 92-94 may be better. Of course control is always an issue. It was an issue with almost the entire pitching staff this year. If they had good control, they were good...if they didn't they got hit. Dustin threw 88-91 all year. The difference is when he's healthy he wasn't hanging his slider, he also said that because of his back he wasn't able to finish his pitches. When you can't finish your pitches you are going to hang a lot of breaking stuff and that's what happened when his back got bad.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Does anybody think the Bulls can take the division this year. Nope.

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) I got an A on my 10 page paper last year about "the subculture of white sox fans" woot. Nobody cares.

QUOTE(HighHeat45 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:47 PM) Dont Stop Believin Who are those guys??

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:41 PM) Don't tell that to all the Gordon lovers. They all think Gordon is 10 times the player Duhon is and that Duhon shouldn't be starting. Its the exact opposite. Duhon isn't as good as he showed tonight, but he has the ability to have these kind of nights more often and will be one of the better PG's in the league (all around). Gordon looked a lot better defensively though from what I saw from him after Hinrich went down. Gordon also made some better passes as oppposed to last year, but he still needs to work on not turning the ball over so darn much. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to watch many bulls games this year but Duhon is a true pg, was in college and is now. Good ball handler, won't turn it over much, great leader, good passer. Chris was a guy that at times used to get on my nerves when he was at Duke because his shot selection bugged me during his soph and junior years but his senior year he put it all together and has continued it on into the nba.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) Ya, he is overated. Looks very much like ford's game last night... outside of turnovers. Ford had five while duhon only has one. Duhon is such a good player.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:56 PM) See: Game three of the World Series. Not fair boz. Injured back, pitching for the first time in 25 days. He hung a slider and it got hit. I know Dustin doesn't throw hard or blow people away but if he's healthy I think he'll be just fine but nobody knows so we'll see.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) I agree with this post. Hermanson was getting by on quite a few great defensive plays behind him on a lot of hard hit shots. His K/9 was terrible so he was mostly putting a ton of balls into play. I doubt he would repeat his 2005 numbers next year even with a 100% healthy back. Well we got a good defense so it's not a bad thing at all when people put balls in play.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) I remember Carlos Lee batting second but never Frank. Did Manuel really do that? Yes sir. It was only a few games, but the offense wasn't hitting s*** and he just messed around with the lineup and had Frank bat 2nd for 2 or so games.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:43 PM) How about 2006 results? I wasn't arguing those. Ok, I was arguing that.