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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 12:11 AM) The only move worth making is one that instills life into our starting rotation. No other move will matter, even if we acquired Tejada and Soriano. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I couldn't agree more.

Not sure where he got it from but a friend of mine sent me this: If Schmidt is available, well I hope Kenny is trying his best to get him.

QUOTE(CardsJimEdmonds15 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 07:34 PM) Thanks for the comments.. I'm alright with the trade I suppose.. if any of you have any more comments on Ronnie I'd like to see em (good or bad) He probably plays the deepest 2b in the majors, which enables him to make some pretty nice plays. He also swings about as hard as he can at every pitch.

Add me to the club that can't stand Ronnie but thinks he's a pretty solid player.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 07:19 PM) Would you do this deal? Vazquez + $15M cash + Broadway + Fields for Zito? No I wouldn't. For one of of those spects though, I really would. I just think the Zito gives us such a better chance to win the world series than we have now.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) He will drive your ass nuts with the walks, he's similar to Contreras at the beginning of last season, you just know he's going to go ou there and walk 3-4 guys a game, constantly getting into jams. He's walked 66 batters this year, that's 2nd in the AL only to Daniel Cabrera. Also, I don't see any way you can get him without giving up McCarthy. I know he's walked a ton this year but he's still found a way to get out of it. I'll agree that he'd most likely drive me nuts with the walks but it'd be worth it because he would be our 2nd best starter with ease this season. If it took McCarthy to get him then fine no deal but if there is a way to get him with out giving up Brandon we really have to try imo.

QUOTE(loltrain @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) With Sheffield and Matsui back, noone in the majors, Detroit or Chicago included is better than New York. The key thing is that this is *on paper*, they were better than Chicago on paper last year, and look how that went. But saying it doesn't worry you is silly, it worries me, and we're alot farther ahead of them than you are. No, they really weren't. Wasn't even that close to be honest. There are still many teams in the majors better than the yankees, they still won't make the playoffs. Book it.

While Zito might not be a great starter he's still pretty damn good and would easily be our 2nd best sp at the moment. I'm sorry but it's not fair to judge the guy from what he's been since 02 considering you then throw out his best season but his worst season which was clearly an aberration is still in that mix. Zito has had one below average season in career and besides that he's been pretty damn good. As far as the ballpark argument goes, well he has a better era away from Oakland than he does at home. If we could somehow get him without trading Brandon McCarthy then I hope KW jumps all over it.

YERMAINGUY

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:51 PM) Can I ask why the Yankees don't worry you? They just swept us with guys named Guiel, Cairo, and Cabrera starting for them. They haven't missed the playoffs since I can't even remember. They just added a guy with the 6th highest OBP in all of baseball. Their starters have even been better than ours. They worry the hell out of me. Cause we're still the better team, one that is playing like crap right now but still better. Like I said, the Yankees won't beat us out for the wildcard this year. If we get this team back on the right track then we'll be in the playoffs, if not, then the Twins will be in the playoffs. The Yankees still won't win the wildcard.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) Gload can't scoop for crap at first. Nice.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Who the hell is "drooling over Fields in left"? If Young was still with this organization, no doubt in my mind he would be up by now replacing Podsednik. I highly, highly doubt that. Next season, maybe, but there's no way in my mind that he would be up here right now.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:39 PM) You're fooling yourself if you think this trade shouldn't worry us. One of our 2 main rivals for the WC (the only race we have a shot in) just improved tremendously. And they've already stuck it to us once this season. Plus, they haven't missed the playoffs in how many years? KW needs to make a move, or quite possibly we're screwed. The trade itself doesn't worry me one bit. We're still the more talented team. Now, our own team definitely worries me but the yankees still don't.

w00t, the ball stretched.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) .427 OBP??? 20 for 24 in steals? More BB's than K's. Less runs scored than Scott Podsednik. Anywho, this trade doesn't bug me at all, if our team wakes up, Abreu or not we're in the playoffs, if they continue to play like crap then they aren't going anywhere. That simple.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:14 PM) The way I remember it, the Angels offered 5/65 but PK signed with Sox after we picked up Thome. Ya, I'm pretty sure the Angels did offer 5/65 though I'm not 100 percent positive. I am 100 percent though that we signed Paul for 5/60.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I thought we signed Paulie for 5/60. We did.

I'd do Vazquez and Sweeney in a heartbeat for Zito. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Beane is interested in Vaz.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:52 PM) Great game, but do we need a thread for a team that will be the 2nd best college basketball team in Illinois this coming season?

There is no doubt in my mind that Bmac would be a better starter than Vaz at the moment, hell I don't think it'd even be close. That being said, Vaz would be a god awful reliever imo. I know his numbers are good early in games but coming out of the pen, he'd be put in high pressure situations right away and that would lead me to believe he'd get absolutely rocked there as well. QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 03:02 AM) I don't know why many assume BMac would suddenly be way better than Vazzy. Can't you picture BMac going 5 strong innings like Vazzy and getting lit up in the sixth also? Garland sucked big time his first few seasons. Watching Bmac pitch this year I don't sense a ton of zeros on the board. Sounds like the deal where the first team quarterback is spiffty and the fans are calling for the unknown. Once he gets in, the backup isn't always the answer. Brandon has already had better pitcher performances in more big games than Javy ever has.

Ross isn't ever going to get a chance to play everyday. I honestly do believe Ross could be an everyday first baseman(a Sean Casey type) in this league but because of his age and lack of power for a 1b, unfortunately I think he'll never get a shot.

QUOTE(korntownballa @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) Scroll down: http://www.mlb-trade-rumors.com/rumors.htm mlbtraderumors is garbage just so you know.

QUOTE(korntownballa @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:13 AM) Not even if it's Peavy? I think we need a top of the line starter, Peavy is just that! Peavy has a 5.01 era this season. I love Peavy but obviously something isn't right with him.

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