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QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) But yes, it's reasons like this why I find numbers and patches unnecessary. We often credit very few people while forgetting the *many* others who struggled just the same, be it in games, politics, etc. I feel it cheapens the 'whole' when we give credit one while giving absolutly no credit to another. A simple moment of silence for *all* is better suited than remembering a single person, in my opinion. And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with remembering a single person, I just feel the whole is greater than the sum of it's many parts, and that is lost in translation when we choose to remember one of the sum. And if you didn't follow any of that...too bad. yeah i can see where you are coming from with this. i can certainly understand it better now. i don't necessarily agree with everything, but i certainly now understand your point of view

QUOTE (the People's Champ @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:03 AM) Im not saying it didn't help, but to think JR single handedly changed white America's views toward African Americans is ridiculous. He was just one man in a list of Rosa Parks', MLKs, Malcolm Xs,......and so on, to do something special to HELP change the way blacks were and still are treated in this country. i agree that the actual event may not have changed as much as those others did...but i think its been a pretty long standing symbol of the social change in America

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:07 AM) I think I took what you said about Doby as sarcasm. oh haha it wasnt, i was serious

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:52 AM) Just because it's means less to you and the majority, doens't mean it means less to someone else. in what way shape form or fashion did i suggest that it meant any less to me?

QUOTE (the People's Champ @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:49 AM) I say the American League teams should wear #14 in honor of Larry Doby, nobody ever mentions him, and he only had to deal with three months less of the BS that JR had to. wheres the love yeah, doby had to endure just about everything robinson did, and he had to do it without any fanfare

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) But what is the harm if they do wear a number or a patch? I think that's very unobtrusive as far as gameplay is concerned and I think it's pretty classy. well, that was said alot more clear and concise than my big post , and basically got the same point across...good work lol

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 10:16 AM) And this is exactly what I mean, and I'll illustrate it with an example from your post. I have no issues celebrating Lincoln's Birthday, or JR day at the ballpark, etc...but with a respectful tip of the cap and rememberance at the start of the game, and nothing more should be necessary. There is no need to wear JR's number or a patch, just as there is no need for everyone to run around with Lincoln sytle top hats on all day, either. frankly, i can't believe anyone is really arguing that they shouldn't wear a patch or the number. Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier was arguably the biggest event/symbol of social change and civil rights in this country's history. There is absolutely a need to remember it. Does having JR day celebrate and remember it? Of course. Does wearing his number further increase awareness, remembrance, and celebration? I think it sure does. How is that a bad thing? What is the downside of wearing it? I can understand the arguements that everyone wearing it may somehow "diminish" the meaning of it (which I don't buy into, but at least i can understand) but your stance i just dont get. Your arguement is basically saying, we do enough by tipping our cap at the start of the game, but I ask you this, is it such a big deal for everyone to wear 42? You have to understand the cultural significance this event has, and I suppose I just don't get why someone would want to only "tip their cap," when wearing the number celebrates the event, honors Jackie, and may increase awareness of it, and is extremely easy to do. Whats the downside to iit???? Heaven forbid that you should have to watch a game where everyone is wearing a patch for 3 hours! God they are really throwing that in your face! I hate it when great moments in history that represent triumph over struggle and ignorance positively influence everyone in the country!

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 01:09 AM) Torii Hunter good, Joe Borowski bad travis hafner good

QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 10:25 PM) How Do I get my Chin hair the same color-like of Nick Swisher. It is amazing.. Thank you... you dont

What did you guys think of it? I hate just about everything Red Sox....but I suppose its nice of the phony creation known as "red sox nation" to finally say sorry to the guy after they pretty much treated him like he was adolf hitler for 20 years

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 10:01 PM) Steff has been posting youtube clips of her and her baby, Briana, if you want to see them. Link you got me too, but i feel like its not a real rick roll cuz you said the link you were sending us to was a youtube vid...so if you mouse over and it says youtube i have no reason to not believe you...so we basically couldnt avoid it, even if we suspected a rick roll

"anyone got any vagasil?"

What Tiger gets the first win? bonderman tomorrow, robertson thursday, Willis Friday, Verlander Saturday, Rogers Sunday, or Woods Sunday at Augusta?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 05:59 PM) The Astros were something like 15 games below .500 in late May of 05 and came back to make the playoffs. That should be the reference point I'd say. i believe the astros were sub .500 in august the year before, adn turned it on and made it as well....in 05 i believe they started 15-30 certainly it can be done, but the fact of the matter is that they have a real shot at being 0-9...and not many teams can dig out of that hole

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) MBuehrleINAA mark has been a white sox for what...7, 8 years? i still am fairly sure i spell his name wrong every time i write it..... buerhle is how i think almost always right it

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) I'm told that's Mr. Windy City Limo. ive heard the same thing

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 04:00 PM) I agree, their bats will heat up. It seems like they're just waiting for one guy to get a big hit. BUT, I do not believe their bullpen woes are going away anytime soon. their bats will heat up but not to the level they did last year.... magglio won't hit .363, polanco won't hit .341, granderson even when healthy likely won't go 20-20-20-20 again, sheffield is a year older and perhaps another year without roids and always an injury waiting to happen, Renteria has been a terrible AL player, pudge is allergic to walking, jacque jones hit 5 HR in an entire year last year in a park where alot of games lazy fly balls to center turn into HR....yes they added cabrera, but he has to adjust to a new and more difficult league their bullpen is god awful, and looks to have no help on the way their rotation is average....willis cant throw strikes, rogers is old but decent at least, bondermans career best ERA isnt even under 4 and his career average is nearly 4.8, robertson is solid and verlander is very good...Heres the KEY though....that rotation is going to have to adjust...teams already know to get the starters pitch counts up early to get into that bullpen....we got into the pen all series and rogers threw 60 pitches in 3 innings today....thats not gonna cut it for them that team reminds me of the white sox so much just a year later....sox go all the way in 05, very good but miss playoffs in 06, bad in 07....tigers nearly go all the way in 06, very good but miss the playoffs in 07, and maybe bad in 08

the more people that wear it, the more likely some kid will ask his dad why everyone is wearing 42, and he will learn and hopefully read about it, not that he probably doesnt know about it anyways...but i think the more people that wear it, the greater the awareness, the better... if only 1 or two people wear it, it can go unnoticed real easily to those not paying attention to it

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 07:59 PM) I think I heard somewhere last year longest winning streak was 4 games...which would make this current win streak all the sweeter the bulls still havent won 3 in a row ...which is extremely pathetic

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 06:00 PM) He's been great through 7 games. Hopefully he continues it, and hopefully the Sox keep winning. my foot tastes good in my mouth

konerko is looking like he did first half of last year and first half of 03...not good

QUOTE (G&T @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 05:35 PM) Twin's pen is going. hes at 80 pitches through 4...i love this offense so far

swisher hustles himself into an RBI

doesnt look like blackburn is gonna make it past the 5th....70 pitches already

cubs choke away an opportunity to take the lead in the 10th...lee and ramirez K