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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) WTF?!?!?! Alfonzo wasnt even worth that kind of change when he was a .350 hitter with the Mets in 99! Sabean should be fired for giving Alfonzo a contract like that. Holy cow, I cannot believe that Alfonzo is due 7 million next year. just found this out that may add a bit more heat to this rumor....alfonso like ozzie, is venezuelan

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) I was just talking to a buddy of mine from San Francisco and there is a trade rumor floating around out there about the White Sox. Again this is a rumor and it came from their local radio, so take it for what it's worth. White Sox get: SP Jason Schmidt 3B Edgardo Alfonzo, on the DL but due to come off of it this week SF Giants get: 3B Joe Crede SP Brandon McCarthy OF Ryan Sweeney SP Sean Tracey The question is would you do it? 3 of our top 10 prospects and our current major league 3B? That is a hell of a lot to give up. that seems like an awful lot to give up for too much unknown. if schmidt is the ace he has shown in the past, and is healthy in october, its a decent trade. with pods rowand looking to be in our OF for a while, and anderson up and coming, and chris young tearing the ball right now, sweeney seems expendable. Ive been all for selling on Bmac, cuz his stock is higher than it should be right now. tracey i actually think could be the key to that deal, cuz hes been decent and AA and has some nasty stuff. i dislike edgardo alfonso though.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 07:14 AM) Just a quick comment on Anderson vs. Sweeney, based strictly on having seen both guys play. Anderson is more advanced right now. He also has better speed, more power, and he has more range defensively. Their arms are about equal, I might give a slight edge to Sweeney. Sweeney has far more bat control IMO, he has the ability to foul pitches off, make the pitcher work, and put the ball in play. This year's stats tend to bear it out, his walks and strikeouts are about even ... about once every 9 at bats. All he's exhibited so far is gap power, I'm a little surprised he has no HR's but he is only 20 and this is his first full year in AA. Anderson seems very susceptible to breaking stuff and I was not totally thrilled with his strike zone judgement. This is just a personal opinion but I think both will be major league regulars. If I had to compare, I would put Anderson at probably the Steve Kotsay level, but not as a leadoff hitter. Right now he looks like a #6 or #7 hitter. As for Sweeney, he has a great lefthanded swing but he will need to hit for more power. If he progresses I feel the White Sox have their starting RF for 10 years, and a very good one at that. So if someone forced me to choose on a long term basis, I would take Sweeney over Anderson without batting an eye. But, I'm not a scout, I'm just an observer. i assume you meant mark kotsay, which is a funny comparrison considering everyone compared jeremy reed to kotsay. in addition, from my personal experience i find sweeney to be more similar to kotsay and anderson most similar to none other than aaron rowand or a torii hunter type if im making big league comparrisons

QUOTE(go-sox05 @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 09:33 AM) I think if your gonna trade for someone like Lilly with era like 6, you might as well just have Mccarthy. Who i think with a few more starts and some more experince will be much better. Schimdt would be nice if he was healthy, but he will cost the sox some good prospects and a ton of cash. what ppl need to realize is that ted lilly is a pretty solid pitcher, and is way better than a 6 ERA. he had an awful first few starts, which boosted his ERA way up. if they traded for him while he has that 6 ERA they would be acquiring someone whose stock is higher than that 6 ERA. this guy was torontos all star last year, and ppl criticized billy beane when they traded lilly saying zito should have been traded instead. id take lilly for sure, but no hes not schmidt or burnett and hopefully wouldnt cost us too much

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 08:48 AM) Gammons i actually dont think lilly will be traded either, unless toronto gets something that will knock their socks off. they are a .500 team now, not the time to sell an allstar from last year who is young cheap and pretty good. schmidt and zito on the other hands are both available, i dont care what sabean and beane say...they would both be dumb not to listen to and consider offers.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 07:40 AM) someone give me a link to this Burnett rumor. i dont think there is anything definite but on foxsports.com ken rosenthall says the orioles and another unidentified AL team have engaged in serious talks about burnett. there are 14 AL teams, you know the Os are one, you can cross off the royals, Ms, devil rays, As for sure. that makes 9 teams. it probably isnt toronto or the tigers. this is certainly not minnesota's type of move since they wont be able to sign burnett in the offseason. That leaves teh White sox, red sox, yankees, indians angels and rangers. the indians IMO can't make that deal, because since burnett is a FA, this has to be a deal for this year and this year only. given the needs, i would say the rangers, bosox yanks and chisox are the main possibilities. as far as im concerned, i believe its us, dangling mccarthy but i could be wrong. i also think its us because KW never likes to be mentioned about trades, and maybe thats why the name isnt given. also ozzie has the old florida connection and might be pushing for burnett. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3720056

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) um...no ervin santana

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) Off to the west coast we go. YAYAYAYAYA. detroit first

anyone else hear on teh score today i believe offman mentioned that schmidt is absolutely not a possibility and the sox cant take on that contract. he did say that he had heard, i thought i heard him say that even kenny williams dropped lidges name as someone they were targetting, but that would happen only if houston felt he was not part of their rebuilding process. i would love lidge in our pen, anyone else hear this?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 03:06 PM) Well, we're now 71 games into the 2005 season, the season that was supposed to bring a new style of baseball to the South Side, and a season that has certainly been a fun one to watch. Now that we're nearly half way into the season, and since today's an off day, I think it's as good a day as any to take a look at how this team actually has changed from last year's team in the most important categories around; how many runs we put on the board compared to the amount of runs the other team puts up. For this analysis, I used results from ESPN.com for my 2005 results and Baseball Almanac.com for my 2004 results. My work was as follows: I entered the final score for each game over the last 2 years into Excel and performed some rudimentary statistical analyses on the scores to see if any obvious trends appeared. And, not to my surprise, I found several. First, let's look at the average amount of runs scored: 2004: 5.339506173 2005: 4.845070423 Ok, so for starters we're down about a half a run per game. That's not surprising to me at all, considering Lee is in Milwaukee, Frank's played like 10 games, and Ordonez played half a season last year. But let's look past total runs scored for a minute, and look at 2 other numbers: Median runs scored: 2004: 4.5 2005: 5 Standard Deviation of Runs Scored: 2004: 3.721956976 2005: 2.707913732 A-Ha! Here I present to you what I feel the key stats are this year for our offense. If you look at the median runs scored, in 2004 it is right between 4 and 5, meaning 1/2 of our games we scored 5 runs or more, and 1/2 we scored less. In 2005 on the other hand, we're scoring 5 runs or more a fair amount more often, and we're scoring 4 runs or less in fewer games. This is good; if you imagine our pitchers averaging 5 runs allowed per game like they did last year, the more games we score over 5 the more we're going to win. The second stat is the real key to this offense; this is the "Speed doesn't go into slumps" stat, this is the Ozzieball stat. Last year, we scored 5.3 plus or minus 3.7 runs per game, on average...with a few games falling outside those bounds. This year, we're scoring 4.8 runs a game, plus or minus 2.7. We've decreased our standard deviation by a full run. This means that yes, we're scoring less 15 run games, but it also means we're having less 0 and 1 run games. The numbers are clustering much more closely around 4, 5, and 6 runs per game; numbers that give us a good shot to win the game. Looking at these numbers...it is clear to me that Ozzieball is actually working; we're scoring enough runs to win more often, even though we're not scoring as many total runs as we were last year. The variation in our runs scored has dropped, and we're scoring 5 runs or so a lot more often than last year's ballclub. 1 last item I noticed...and I can't figure this one out at all. For some reason, the White Sox in both 2004 and 2005 just do not like to score 3 runs. In 2005 we have scored 3 runs exactly 4 times, while we've scored 2 or 4 runs 23 times between them. The same trend happened in 2004: we scored 2 runs 24 times, 4 runs 24 times, but 3 runs 12 times. It's a really wierd pattern in a histogram, and I have no idea why it's happening. I also looked at our opponents scores, and they are much closer to a bell curve, while the Sox scores have these 2 peaks with a large dip at 3 runs per game. So, next time the Sox score 3 runs in a game...act surprised. It really is a rare occurence. good work, especially finding the median. thats important imo. i also think the standard deviation doesnt tell all that much. when taken, the deviations starting point is the average, but you can only go down 5.3 runs, where as on the upside, you can go up as many runs as the team had scored 18 i believe was last years high. therefore if you have a team that scores a bunch of runs alot, like the white sox had, the standard deviation will be a larger number, due to the greater absolute value of runs on the high side of the average as opposed to the lower side of it. therefore it really only emphasizes the feast aspect of the 2004 chisox, and fails to capture the entire famine portion of that offense as well. however, the work is well done and we can still take away the fact that the 2004 white sox were far less consistent in scoring runs than the 2005. i also saw something, i wanna say by dayn perry, but i could be wrong, taht showed that the white sox have scored 0 - 2 runs fewer than any other team in the majors. and on top of that their winning % in those games is astounding taken in consideration to the average w% of such games

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) Ivanna Getrunover...i know it's corny. its beyond corny, its downright uncalled for

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) Schmidt's is having a weak year & has never pitched regularly against AL lineups. Lilly is proven success in that dept. Schmidt is still a health risk & a question mark. Just look at Pavano & Johnson for how hard it is for fireballers to make the transition. Chemistry wise Lilly will do whatever is asked of him because he's done that his whole career. He's not a big headed ego. Schmidt has been a #1 for most of his career. I don't know how he will sit as #4/#5 nor how he'll take to sharing the spot with El Duque. If we are more concerned about chemistry than fortifying weakness Lilly is a far lower risk in that dept. come on, johnson a fireballer, yes, but surely not pavano. pavano was early in his career, in montreal, but he throws sooo many sliders now. he reminds me of arroyo. he certainly isnt a fireballer. what about schilling? hes a fireballer that made the transition. This was a stupid arguement to begin with. if you are gonna try to use two guys like johnson and pavano as two examples you need more than that. two examples doenst provide any hard evidence. look at a larger group of ppl then tell me something

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 08:33 AM) please tell me you meant to type this in green and forgot. no kidding, that post should be deleted

It wont happen because houston wont trade oswalt for anyone. yes, they are rebuilding, and young great pitchers are best cornerstones to rebuild around. this entire thread should just be deleted. if houston deals a pitcher it could be lidge, theyve always felt that closers are overrated in the market, hence dotel and wagner being shipped out when they were set to make big $$. besides, the shelf life of closers these days is short, and they should sell high while theycould

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 10:06 AM) Well, let's look at it this way. First, Lohse sucks dog balls. He sucks out loud. Second, wouldn't they rather have prospects that will contribute a few years down the road, and have them for a good amount of time? They're not going to contend for years and years, so what's the point of getting Lohse (who sucks and will be gone by the time that they can contend). lohse is only like 26

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 02:58 PM) But it was in a past tense as in " That is where they hung people". you are an idiot. did you even read the definition? they are both past tense, it has to do with formailty, not tense

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 22, 2005 -> 08:16 AM) There is so much talk about range factor but the main stat for a defender is zone rating. Everyone knows Crede is slower to react than Randa when moving L-R. But he is far superior at fielding anything hit in front of him. That's why he has twice as many DP's as Randa this year & that's why his ZR (zone rating) is higher. .825 to .804. It's only a 2% difference because of their strengths & weaknesses. But Crede as 14 DP's (prior to last night's game) & Randa only has 8. Why should I dump Crede for Randa when he has a hot stick, his defense has helped us win numerous 1 run games, he's doing it at the tail end of the order, & his 2nd 1/2 numbers have consistently been better than Randa's in the AL? Let's not forget that Ozuna continues to perform every chance he gets to play. exactly right, i wrote an article not too long ago about how much more valuable zone rating is as opposed to range factor, ill try to dig it up. range factor is actually more reflective on the pitcher, especially at a position like 3b. taking credes ZR, hes very good. ZR is the reason Valentin wasn't half as bad defensively as most people thought he was.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 08:02 AM) They were implying that the neighborhood was a rough part of town. They weren't making it out as if the neighborhood wasn't a good party place like Wrigley. That's what I took offense to. oh ok....its a common misperception today, about 10 years ago the neighborhood was really rough, in the past 3 years its gotten better and in about 10 years its going to be considered a nice part of town again. i think it gets a bum rap from out of towners because of the reputation that it once had, but they arent around enough to realize the improving changes in the area

QUOTE(KansasSoxFan @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) Recently (last year, I think) there was an incident in KC where a player on the visiting team was sitting on the team bus and got shot by a stray bullet. yep and he was being hazed since he was a rookie, and they said that he had to wear girls boots up to his knees, and supposedly the boot actually saved the bullet from going any deeper and may have saved him from serious injury...

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 07:54 AM) So I'm working in Kansas City until Wednesday. The hotel I'm staying at doesn't carry the network that carries the Royals games so I'm forced to listen to AM 810 radio. These guys were annoying the heck out of me. They kept bringing up the atttendance of Comiskey and how much better Wrigley draws. The one guy even said something like "Well you really can't blame people for not coming to this park. It's not in one of the best neighborhoods." What a bunch of tools. Enjoy the AL basement with your crappy team. :finger not sure what else they said, but everything that you put in your post that they said (wrigley drawing more, not the best of neighborhoods) is exactly right. stop taking it so personally. those two things that you brought up are facts. its the damn truth, just accept it

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) There was a game (I think September 2000) where the Sox were down something like 8-1 to the Angels. They came back in the 8th and won the game! I like the others in the list as well. ah yes, i was there...mo vaughn hit a grand slam off of jesus pena i believe it was....either pena or lorenzo barcelo....cant remember

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) The Frank walkoff a couple of years ago after Pauly hit a bomb to tie it in the bottom of the 9th against Guardado. That 8-0 comeback against the cubs with Pauly going yard twice. The 3-0 comeback off Wickman the 2nd game of this season was pretty special too just because the offense was so down the first 2 games. Those are just 3 that came to me right away, there's been plenty more then that though. those two homers were after wood plunked konerko in the head earlier in the game too

QUOTE(Adam G @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) Joe Borowski lives in my building and I've gotta think of something snappy to say to him about Jeter hitting his first career grand slam off him in New York. Any suggestions? "hey borowski....kill yourself"

i know most of you hate espn and place no stock in their assessments, but buster olney is pretty good...heres what he said in his chat today. it hasnt sounded like kenny has wanted to move crede but maybe he will. personally, i dont want to see crede go for randa. everyone loves randa, but hes old, and is a .260-.270 hitter who will give 15 homers and play solid 3b. Id rather have crede hit .250 with 25 homers and play excellent D

when im at school im able to load soxtalk, but now that im at home i cant load it on my home computer (different computer from at school). i can load it when im at work, but not at home. its driving me absolutely nuts that i cant get it at home. do i need to download anything? it just says that the page cannot be found after about 3 minutes of it trying to load. help please. thanks p.s. i tried using the real player web browser as opposed to IE as well...no luck