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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 3, 2018 -> 01:13 AM) Just what this council needs: the insights of baseball’s most tenured yet most severely flawed and obviously most failed owner with a seat at its table. I bet the other owners feel he has done an outstanding job. Getting a basically free stadium, keeping players salaries down, getting new draft slotting rules, international bonus caps.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 02:14 PM) I could see an 8-man bullpen depending on what the bench looks like so you could even add one more. I think with the way the game is going an 8 man bullpen is most likely, especially early in the season when they are still building endurance for the starters.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 07:56 AM) Chicks dig the fastball! You are all chicks? Man, I'm getting old.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 09:16 AM) The Tatis trade could be rehashed for the next 20 to 50 years potentially. Ernie Broglio is still a known commodity over 50 years later. Only because he was traded for a future HOF'er. If Tatis goes to the HOF, then it will be.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 06:28 PM) I don't think it is a coincidence that the White Sox and Bulls have both slashed payroll significantly. So I don't see any significant bumps in payroll until the Sox are ready to compete................or JR sells. He was just appointed to the MLB commissioner's exectutive committee. I don't think he plans on selling anytime soon.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 11:48 AM) This season was Loggains second as OC How about relatively inexperienced with an old extremely offensively conservative head coach.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:47 AM) This guy has pitched fewer innings than Nate Jones in the past 4 seasons. I see lots of optimism about this, but I don't expect much. I hope I'm wrong. It is a lot of enthusiasm for a negative WAR player. The ultimate "flyer" player.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 11:39 AM) I think Loggains will be redeemed a bit in Miami, but not like he'll call plays. I don't think he was as strong willed as Gase to run the offense he wanted. Sounds like Fox did meddle a lot in the game planning. Ding, Ding, Ding! However, with a first year coordinator, he had to expect that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) They need an actual PBP guy on the radio. Farmer would be fine as the analyst. DJ would be fine as the analyst. Having both is strange though. It is. I think that's why I enjoy it. It's strange, weird and different. Edit: I like it as a fan for the team. It would not work for a national audience that isn't invested in one of the teams.

Spring Training can't get here soon enough.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 10:45 PM) I used to hate Farmer but have warmed up to him. Definitely an acquired taste. Very acquired. But, some of us like weird stuff, and Farmio falls under that. I agree. I know many people take the view of "just tell me what's going on in the game" view. For me it's too sterile. Baseball is entertainment. The weird and off the wall stuff between him and DJ adds to the entertainment, especially through the "rebuild" and bad baseball.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 06:20 PM) Including Rodon, 34 pitchers in big league camp. Can never have too much pitching. Especially these days with 34 relievers used each game.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 03:00 PM) What about scar tissue and range of motion just from going in there? I really don't think he would have any issues with velocity or anything other than what I mentioned. I don't know why they had to go in there to begin with. (disclaimer: not comparing myself to a world class athlete) but when I was pitching in HS I had bursitis in my throwing elbow, couldn't straighten it, got some IV antibiotics to help with the swelling and was good as new in a week. The difference is that the bursa in the elbow is to protect the joint (the reason you couldn't straighten it) while the one they are referring to in the shoulder protects the rotator cuff. If the bursa is chronically inflamed and scars it causes a decreased space around the Cuff and in turn causes and impingement without enough room for the cuff to move. Thus the reason to remove it. The issue now is without the bursa to protect the cuff there may be a compression on the cuff itself which typically causes a person to not want to raise their arm over their head. In a pitcher that would lower the arm angle. Scar tissue doesn't typically form in this area as it is relatively avascular. It's possible but this is all something they would know by now if he had a range of motion deficits.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 01:44 PM) Except the Sox did make the playoffs in 2008, which was actually the year Detroit got Cabrera and KW said that just made them more competitive with the White Sox. They were also only one game out in 2010 if you use the current Wild card format.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 02:54 PM) Honestly, I don't know that sticking him in the pen for 2018 only is a crazy idea. It would be crazy as it won't help build up the strength. He needs the innings. If he can't start, he won't go to the pen either.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 02:35 PM) Nobody knows what his stuff will be like after the shoulder surgery. Even though, per all reports, there was no structural damage, shoulders are weird and he could come out in July/August throwing 91 and his slider might not have the bite it used to, or it could have no effect on his stuff. Until he's on the mound with the Sox, we just won't know. If the problem was truly what they said, it will have no effect on his stuff. His slider will definitely not be effected as that is mostly elbow issues. If any thing his slider will improve and the fastball will tail more with less velocity as he may drop his arm angle.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 07:17 AM) It boggles my mind how bad of a move this is. Let a legitimate QB walk away, and instead replace him with an older QB, use draft capital and a solid young CB to do it, and then give that old QB $71M guaranteed over 4 years. How much more would Kirk have cost if they just locked him up last year when they should have? Yeah, if I were a Redskins fan, I'd be pissed. Yeah. I'm the first person to admit, I give the people in the industry the benefit of the doubt because they are on the inside and know more than me. I probably give them too much credit in most cases. However, it's really tough to figure out this one, unless cousins and the team had so much acrimony that there just was no solution. I would assume washington is drafting a QB early in the next draft or two. Smith is a good, professional stopgap but he can't play much longer at a high level.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 07:50 AM) I am sure they will use the rotating dh option primarily in A and A+. However, there is a likely time share in AA at catcher between Zavala and Collins. From a prospect standpoint, they take priority over Hawkins for me. Maybe there will be some trading during spring training. Also, you never know how injuries may affect the best paper plans. Always the wildcard in all of the plans.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 31, 2018 -> 03:03 AM) Woah fella, this is a family friendly message board. Sorry, sometimes I get carried away with enthusiasm.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 02:36 PM) Boy, ridding ourselves of Ed Farmer would make all of this truly worth it. I watch the TV with the sound off and listen to the radio for the games. If Farmer goes (depending on the replacement) I may have to just the visual. This will on the other hand probably make my wife happy.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 09:34 PM) American Indian is actually the preferred term for a lot of indigenous groups in the US. They use First Peoples a lot in Canada, not sure about Central and South America, but here American Indian is perfectly acceptable. e: thoroughly beaten by Leonard! In the lacrosse world where the Native Americans are dominant they want to be referred to as the Iroqouis nation, as Leonard said. as a matter of fact they cannot participate in any World Cup tournament outside north america because they do not have passports. No other countries recognize them as an Independent nation and they have no passports.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 04:58 PM) It wasn't authentic... According to the group that ran it and various articles it was. That was part of the defense of it. That it wasn't a caricature or made up, it was authentic.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 04:25 PM) I wasn't ever "offended" but I always thought 'The Chief' was dumb and corny as hell Are you racist for calling an authentic Native american dance "corny"

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 03:59 PM) Native Americans are more worried about food, water, jobs, money, preventing and treating alcohol/drug addiction, etc. than names that people came up with decades and decades ago that have now become part of the general lexicon without the racist connection. However, that doesn't mean it's unreasonable for NA's to be offended or that it's the end of the world if a private company decides to make a change. I think it's unnecessary, but whatever, if they want to do it, go for it. I objected and still object to the U of I's decision to get rid of the Chief, a beloved mascot that was honored and respected, because a few select liberal professors b****ed and whined, but whatever, there's no going back. On the statue issue, I'd like to see the FDR statues/monuments removed. The dude rounded up a bunch of people and put them in camps because they looked different. In the modern era no less. How is no one talking about this? Do you see the article about the professor possibly getting in trouble due to filming the Chief in the restroom? It is hilarious.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 30, 2018 -> 02:48 PM) Not sure how this shifted to statues, and not sure why statues would be a necessity to teach history either. I think the statue argument is never going to be 100% correct on either side, but I also think it doesn't really apply in this conversation so I'm not going to go further into it. It was in response to the poster who said in effect "you don't have a problem with the Indians logo, do you keep statues of Conferderates in your house"