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I just heard on the Score that he passed today at 103 years old.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) My point was Moyer was placed on waivers and it was not in any paper or any news report. I never said waivers was to gauge interest. I'm pretty sure every GM has a pretty good idea who has interest in all their players. I will guarantee you hundreds of players have either cleared waivers or have been placed on waivers since Aug. 31. July 31 ... I think.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:19 AM) I remember a few years back some dumb arse broke into someone's home or workplace (bar or something) and they guy shot him. Well, the home/bar owner was sued and lost. What a screwed up world we live in today. I remember a story ... Some guy owned a sporting goods store in Michigan, iirc. He was repeatedly broken into and robbed ... through the same window every time. The police were no help. So this guy set up a bear trap under the window. The guy doing the break ins was trapped and caught. The store owner was arrested, convicted and sued.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:49 AM) I will be kind in my reply & give an example of your logic: A: A is a fact because I told you so. B: A is not a fact because I told you so. A: It is too a fact because you can't prove it's not. B: It is not a fact because you can't prove it is. And so A & B argue endlessly without being able to prove anything. What's the point? With respect to Moyer why was he put on waivers? To facilitate a trade to the NYY$. He was not put on waivers just to gauge interest. The two GM's had talked over the trade parameters prior to Seattle putting him on waivers. This is common sense stuff. Show me the listing in the MLB daily transaction wire.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) LOL, I was one of the Kevin Walker supporters I'll admit that. Key word there is WAS. The key word there is "I"

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) With respect to waivers the CBA makes reference to MLB Rule 10. If you can find information pertaining to that rule that should end this debate. There is no mention of irrevocable waivers in the CBA or any official document I've been able to find in MLB. I will always believe official documents over ESPN news reports. Reporters make mistakes all the time. That's why they print corrections. Show me where Remlinger or Moyer was listed in the daily transaction wire with either ... was placed on waivers .. was claimed off of waivers ... has cleared waivers ... or .. was withdrawn from waivers. Not an after the fact item by a reporter, but the MLB daily transaction listings that are in the newspapers daily. When you show me one of those .. I will yeild.

We will play at a .600 clip from here on out.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:38 AM) We're a patient group, aren't we? Neal's been nothing short of magnificent this year and I don't think he's done improving. I think you'll see Neal will be a starter or closer before he's done. He's got what it takes.

Until I can be showed the waiver transaction wire listing for Remlinger and/or Moyer, this discussion is ridiculous.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) Neal Cotts is another great example of a guy who got thrown under the bus by many here, after basically no time at the major league level. I am so glad to see the blessing of Soxtalk carryover to another guy, and to see Neal kickass out of the pen for the Sox. That throwing under the bus happens WAY too often here.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) That's a DIFFERENT waiver period altogether! We are talking REGULAR season! Then don't go saying "There is no such thing as ... ".

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) This is too easy If it never gets reported then what basis do you have for your statement? How do you know that Frank has been put on waivers repeatedly? Where did you get that information if it was never reported? Let's try to use common sense here. If a player is placed on waivers then all MLB teams know about it as does the player's union & player himself. There is no confidentiality agreement governing this information. So it's ridiculous to suggest ALL or even most marquee players get put on waivers & no one ever reports it. Put another way, if the NYY$ put A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Randy Johnson, or Mike Mussina on waivers do you really believe not one NY reporter would write about it? ok ... here's common sense for you. It does not GENERALLY get reported because it is not considered newsworthy. This is fact, Juggs.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:24 AM) Yeah, but the point is that the perception is gonna be that the Sox are giving the games to the Tribe because they don't want to face Oakland...who knows, the A's could take over the division lead for good and this could be moot. I guess my point is that the Sox might have an effect on who they face in the playoffs because they are facing a WC contender when they will likely be resting starters for the playoffs. Screw the perception. If the Sox have it clinched, and want to take a look at say 12 of their minor leaguers ... why the hell not?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:27 AM) Right, sorry, I didn't write that out very well, I should have said you insure yourself that another team doesn't pull off a deal for him, sorry about the confusion. Just trying to keep things clear. No problem.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:25 AM) Yes there is irrevecoable waivers, 320894320..... now you believe me? I have read "Joe Blow was placed on irrevokable waivers for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release" countless times.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:24 AM) That's why I asked the question if it would be worth it to take on that whole ridiculous contract to ensure yourself of getting him. You still wouldn't insure you'd get him .. as the Reds could revoke the waivers, or .. pull him back. But the Sox wouldn't have to claim him, because they would the last team on the list. If they let him through, they'd still be eligible to work a deal.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) It helps to know what you talking about when you throw out a new term There is no such thing as irrevocable waivers, but there are limits to how many time's a team can withdraw a player during multiple waiver periods. I'm not certain but that might be what happened with Manny. If you clear waivers in one period & then your team puts you out on waivers in another period they can't withdraw you from waivers. There might be one other instance of withdrawal in between there. So unless you have something more substantial to offer in your belief that at least 601 players are put on waivers during this period your statement remains ridiculous. There is such a thing as irrevocable waivers.

It damn sure never makes the daily transaction wire that is printed in the newspapers.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 10:14 AM) Frank Thomas has been place on and cleared waivers several times. You don't read about it in the paper. If Griffey clears though, we probably will here about it in a column by Stark or Nightengale. Bingo. That's what I've been trying to get through to Juggernaut. It is not made public as a matter of course. If it is made public, it's so common of an occurance that it isn't newsworthy. So, it doesn't get reported and therefore WE don't generally find out about it.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) You have to understand the relationship between DFA & waivers. Unless the player has ml options left he must first clear waivers before being DFA'd. Remlinger has no ml options left. In the transaction log: 8/5/05 Chicago Cubs ...and designated LHP Mike Remlinger for assignment. 8/9/05 Boston Red Sox ...Acquired LHP Mike Remlinger and cash considerations from the Chicago Cubs for Minor League RHP Olivo Astacio. Activated LHP Mike Remlinger. Now what happened for this trade to happen? Boston put in a claim when he was placed on waivers. Both teams had to wait for 3 business days to pass to see if any lower standing team puts in a claim. After the 3 days Boston is awarded the claim. The Cubs can either withdraw the claim or proceed with a trade. My point is ... That WE wouldn't necessarily be made aware of it. It's not publicized when some is claimed, cleared or put on waivers. Jayson Stark may gather that info and write a column about it, but it doesn't make the daily transaction wire that hits the papers.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:12 AM) you know what hes doing. He see's the Sox have a good chance of making the playoffs and going to and a chance of winning the world series. So he dosent wanna be the guy who when the sox win their historic championship was writing nothing but negative articles on them. i still think he is a boner. Rock solid assessment, imo.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) Player's clearing waivers show up in the transaction reports. If KGJ is either claimed, withdrawn, or cleared of waivers it will be reported in MLB transactions. Some more info: The salary of a player claimed off waivers DOES count towards the luxary tax assessment for that year. So KGJ's $41M will cost the NYY$ & BOS much more than other teams. The most any team has ever claimed salary wise in a so-called block move is $14M. That's the infamous SDP Randy Myer's claim. A far cry from the $41M owed KGJ. I highly doubt Levine was telling the truth. It makes no sense that the owner would approve the GM putting him on waivers to dump $15M/3yr & risk getting 0 talent in return. Show me Remlinger being claimed or cleared.

QUOTE(Goldmember @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:55 AM) ...and all this time i thought 'steff' was short for steffan. She's tricky that way.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 11, 2005 -> 08:44 AM) http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/spo/mlbpa/mlbpa_cba.pdf F. Waivers Any assignment of a Player contract must conform to the rules regarding waivers contained in Major League Rule 10. In addition, each Friday, not later than 3 P.M. E.D.T., the Office of the Commissioner shall notify the Player's Association, by facsimile transmission, of all waiver requests and their disposition. Notification shall include: (1) the date on which the waiver request was made; (2) the date of expiration of the waiver period; (3) if the waiver period has expired, whether or not claims were filed; (4) if claims are not filed, the period for which waivers have been granted; and (5) if claims were filed, whether or not the Club requesting waivers has withdrawn its request. In the event claims were filed and the Club requesting waivers has withdrawn its request, the Office of the Commissioner need not identify the claiming Club or Clubs. Translation: By Friday 2PM CDT we will know if Levine was telling the truth or not about Griffey Jr being placed on waivers this week. What makes you think that WE will know?