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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:32 AM) Shohei Ohtani development: Multiple @MLB team execs believe Ohtani may actually prefer to sign with a club that doesn’t already have a Japanese star; Ohtani’s camp has not commented on that. @MLBNetwork https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/936600677220003841 Score another point for the White Sox.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:17 AM) The question was "who would you rather trade?" I would rather sell high on Avi due to Jose having more of a track record. Especially if the White Sox are receiving what we consider to be fair value in the deal, because to me, that means some team is buying into Avi as a 4 WAR RF and paying for him like he is going to be one moving forward.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 02:23 AM) Throwing some offers out there.... From Red Sox: 3B Michael Chavis (BOS #2, MLB #92), OF Cole Brannen (BOS #9), RHP Bryan Mata (BOS #14) From Rockies: 3B Colton Welker (COL #4), C Tom Murphy (COL #9), LHP Ben Bowden (COL #16) If that's the going rate, keep Abreu. I'd want McMahon and Dahl from COL or Rodriguez and Chavis from BOS.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 08:25 PM) This should generate some discussion. If you had to trade one of them, at what whatever you would judge is a fair return, which would you rather move? At what I would deem a fair return? Unquestionably Avi. At what I think the market will pay? Abreu probably gets a return closer to his value.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) I am not sure why anyone would think differently at this point. Jimenez might be the best prospect in all of baseball. If not, he is in the team photo. I'd put Acuna at 1 personally, but Eloy is 2. Then Vlad, Robles, and Gleyber in some order. QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:33 PM) and Kopech is not? What do you consider to be "in the team photo"? He's definitely a top 10 and maybe a top 5 prospect in all of baseball, but as has been started, elite positional players typically carry a higher floor and therefore a better chance of success.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) The opening portion explains the far-reaching effects of the bill which go beyond the individual financial impact. They're cramming things like defining life as beginning at conception, hurting higher education (taxing tuition waives), openly politicizing places of worship and eliminating health care for millions into the bill. e: given that a lot of posters here live in Illinois, we're going to feel a much bigger impact from this tax-cut-for-millionaires bill with the removal of SALT deductions. And it's still worth pointing out that Republicans are planning to hike taxes on middle class Americans (the $40-50k range is right around the median household income) in order to partially finance tax cuts for millionaires. Hopefully someone will challenge the validity of those provisions of the bill and get the whole thing thrown out if it passes.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) I get what Cameron is saying, but the argument could be made that the Red Sox deal JBJ for Abreu and sign a player like Austin Jackson to play CF for a reasonable amount. That would greatly lessen the blow of losing JBJ, and provide a huge upgrade for the middle of the order. I think other clubs like the Rockies or even Cardinals might match up better on an Abreu deal though If they trade JBJ (and Groome) for Abreu, the corresponding move they make is likely to go buy JD Martinez and move Benintendi to CF.

What do you think is the best course of action for the team to take on Avisail Garcia?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 08:03 AM) LMAO. Go check out how well DeBartolo's Pittsburgh Penquins did while he owned them. They did win one championship, then he sold. They were Bill Wirtz Blackhawks for most of his 14 years. But I'm sure if he had bought the White Sox, everything would have been peaches and cream. DeBartolo owned another sports franchise from 1977-2000 known as the San Francisco 49ers. You may have heard about a small run of success they had in the 80s and 90s. I'm sure White Sox fans wouldn't have been happy with a similar experience over that timeframe, right?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) The problem isn't with the Sox making offers, it is with them making the largest offer. As for the Albert Belle example, Eloy Jimenez was 7 days old when it happened. They haven't really shown a propensity to set the market for top level players for 21 years now. They have been #2 a lot of times. #1, not so much. The White Sox have no significant payroll commitments going into 2019 and most teams will be primarily chasing Harper. The White Sox could definitely swoop in with the best offer early in free agency and get Machado while other teams are busy with Harper.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) If Machado "didn't exactly light it up" why would you want to pay him that kind of money? I'll tell you why? Cause he's not a White Sox. You don't see him fail like you do Abreu and Avi on occasion. All I know is Abreu just had 3-4 of the most consistent seasons in Sox history and should be on this team. Why is baseball so different? Let's say you have an NFL quarterback or RB who is way way above average and your starter for 3-4 years. Do you want to get rid of him? Hell no. Why is baseball so different for a player of Abreu's caliber? Abreu has been great. He should stay on the team. Case closed. The lack of a salary cap giving teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs a huge advantage that magnifies the importance of every financial decision of teams that can't afford to spend like them. There's less risk paying Machado through his mid 30s than there is paying Abreu through his late 30s. Thus, if you can turn Abreu into other assets that will help more in the projected contention window, it makes sense to do it provided that the value is right. No one is suggesting trading Abreu for a J.D. Martinez type of package, but if you can get something like Ryan McMahon (who was in AAA and looked like he might be ML ready last year) and David Dahl (who has 5 years of control, some demonstrated MLB success, and a demonstrated ability to play CF), it makes sense to take the chance that you can get two good players who can help you in your contention window instead of losing or overpaying Abreu at the beginning of the contention window.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Does he really want a promise of 600 at bats? That's kind of unique. Not many teams "promise" stuff like that. I mean coaches promise all kinds of stuff in recruiting but always give themself a hedge if the player is a complete bust. If he does, that's something the White Sox can offer that a contender can't.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 12:19 AM) I can't wait to see who you guys decide who to pay in the future. A lot of you seem obsessed with having all prospects and the lowest payroll possible and if we have to lose lose lose 3-6 years as the kids develop you're all for it. You are the best fans ever for a cheap owner. When we are a WS contending team, some of you I presume realize we'll have to pay a few free agents some cold hard cash. We're not going to decide who to pay, Hahn is. That said, paying players in their mid to late 20s has proven to be a smarter strategy recently than paying players in their 30s, which is usually the time that players hit free agency. The best way to have talent in its prime productive seasons is to develop it. That's why most teams that undertake the rebuild strategy the White Sox are do it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 11:28 PM) You prospect people are incredible. When we finally get all prospects then we can start trading them for other prospects. The Sox organization is so bad it's been unable to do anything in a division full of clueless organizations, small market organizations (cept for Detroit which acted big for a while) since we won it all in 05. Sickening. Yeah it makes sense to dump our best hitter who could anchor our next WS contending team. Makes a lotta sense. It actually does. Trading two years of Abreu for six years of two or more players who, ideally, will have more value, especially in the contention window. Having to make a large financial decision on Abreu near the beginning of the contention window is not ideal.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 08:37 PM) If Abreu to Rockies results in conversation, I will say the Sox targeted McMahon from the Rockies in the summer when they were talking over relievers. McMahon was obviously a bit much for Robertson though. Would McMahon and Dahl be a package they might trade for Abreu?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 23, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) Maybe the knocks on Maitan's conditioning drop his price to something in the White Sox range. Am I right in thinking the Sox could go as high as 500K on the ex-Braves prospects? That's correct. They can also use next year's bonus pool to do it.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) How crazy would it be to see a 12 year contract handed out ? You don't think Harper will get 12 years?

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) I cannot fathom that the Sox is the only team that could offer Otani DH at bats. If there are several other teams offering DH at bats and more money, you can bet that he’s taking the offer with more money. No matter how much you want to downplay it, 2-3 mil is the difference between comfortable living for a few years and barely getting by. The way he talked, he wants to be part of building a winner, and obviously the money isn't a factor for him like most, because if it was, he'd wait 2 years and get $200 million. Since he's not doing that, clearly other factors are important to him, and it seems like the White Sox are uniquely positioned to align with those factors. They just embarked on a rebuilding process that has already begun to yield some positive results despite that fact, and could make Otani a central part of it and maybe even a face of the franchise if he's good enough to warrant it. There's certainly no reason not to try. I highly doubt $2-3 million would make the difference to him, and I think he'll be just fine with $300K and his MLB minimum salary of $507,500 In terms of getting by.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) I agree with everything except the bolded. For example, if it comes down to the Sox and Yankees and both are offering him significant DH at bats but Yankees are offering ~$3 million more, I would bet on him taking the Yankees offer. That would contradict everything he's said and done to date. I guess we'll see what happens.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) Of those four, really only the Mariners have a regular DH that would compete for ABs. Believe me, I love to follow the NPB and I want Otani on the White Sox BADLY (I subscribe to the PL streaming service and watched all of Otani's starts this year), but this one is looking to be very, very unlikely for us. Really, no AL team has less to offer him on paper than we do. We're not currently a contender, have the least amount of money to give, exist in an underperforming media market (given the Cubs and compared to LA/NYC), and we have a guy who will likely need to compete for DH at bats going forward (Abreu). On top of that, the Sox are one of the few teams who didn't bother to send anyone to go see him pitch this year, and there have been no indications that they've contacted his agent. To me, it appears that the Sox consciously chose to put their eggs in the Luis Robert basket instead of joining the scrum for Otani, knowing that they had a much better chance of landing Robert given their ability to spend big and offer a Cuban-friendly clubhouse. Well, if you believe Otani's actions and the reports on what he's said, the money isn't that big of a factor and he wants to go to a team that isn't traditionally considered to be a powerhouse. There are quite a few elements of the whole thing that give me hope that the White Sox have a nonzero chance in this race. I just hope the org pursues it.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Yes it is. We're watching a future contender being rebuilt from the ground up and it's pretty damn cool. I hear ya. I just don't want to assume the Sox sign anyone like Machado. We all know that not every prospect will fulfill their projections so the Sox will have to to spend on free agents to fill in the holes, and I'm sure they will. I'm just not sure what those holes will be. 3B is a pretty glaring org hole, and the second best free agent in next year's class, who will be 26 at the time, just so happens to play 3B. Machado matches this team's needs so perfectly it doesn't make sense for the White Sox to not pursue him, and most teams who would hand out the kind of contact he'll want have their 3B situation resolved.

QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) I do think Vizquel is a play to lure Maitan. Plus, we have a storied history of Venezuelan shortstops. Abraham Gutierrez, their second biggest bonus baby from that class, is also Venezuelan.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 12:49 PM) This is a great post. They probably have done way more indepth studies of each team, their 40 man rosters and who they have to protect to be able to project who will be available and who will be the mostly likely to pick players to get an idea of how far they need to go in protecting players. For a guy to get picked, is he going to have fairly high on the overall list of players out there. For example only 18 guys got picked last time around. It was 16 in 2015 and 14 in 2014. Is Guerrero going to be rated higher than that many players out there? I haven't seen a preview yet, but that is worth asking/exploring. This is a list of players from top 30 lists who are exposed. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/261944130/pr...osed-to-rule-5/ Dom Nunez, Jason Martin, and some of the arms seem interesting. Not much beyond that, though. It's a group in which I could see Jordan Guerrero in the top 5.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:32 PM) Ben Badler @BenBadler Another Braves update: The players who received their top four signing bonuses in 2016 will become free agents. bit.ly/2hTLUDk The White Sox should pursue all 4. No reason not to.

How do you keep Covey, Saladino, Hanson, and Garcia and not protect Guerrero, Polo, and Peter?