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QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) Cardinals officially out Hopefully this means they pursue Abreu.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017...KvuhBkDuqjUZ.97 Cale Coshow seems like a real fine Rule 5 pick for us. Any of the top 3 pitchers listed there are interesting. Grab one of them and Burdi.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) Dick Allen heard it from the horse's mouth. Plus I feel it's a clean sweep. He gets rid of the final two White Sox players who are worth a s*** and in return the rebuild is complete. He'll add 3 more top five draft picks as well. Unfortunately we're still going to need some veterans from other teams when it's time to win it all. I doubt all the players he acquired will be good enough to get it done, but maybe they will. There's no reason to keep Abreu and Avi in this current climate. Although the Twins and Tigers are very weak and it's like we're conceding the division to the Indians and Twins as the rebuild takes hold. Losing Abreu and Avi should guarantee last for 2 more seasons and that means coveted top five draft picks for Hahn and the rebuild. So basically just "Rrrrargh, I hate the rebuild" is what led you to that conclusion? That's what I get from this post.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) Miami's farm is very weak and have had bad injury luck. If you could take on Prado and his salary it could lessen what you pay for a Yelich. Hope Prado rebounds and flip at or before deadline eating some salary. I would not trade a high prospect but you could put Guerrero in the package as maybe a second or third piece as you will probably lose him and he would be about #12 in their system. If Stanton won't waive his no trade, they may get desperate for salary relief. Guerrero is about number 12 in the White Sox system. Is theirs really as good?

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) Six players traded for cap. So they go sign all the Braves guys. Net win?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) I still say you guys are wasting a lot of breath here. It's pretty obvious to me we'll be trading Abreu this offseason. Get used to the idea. It's happening IMO. In fact it seems like a front office no brainer considering what they've been doing and hinting as well. I fully expect him to be traded. Avi as well. After those two are dealt, the deals are done and it will be Hahn's baby completely. He'll be in full tank mode for 2 more seasons, 2018 and 2019 and then it will be time to win. He still might keep his job regardless of if we win the division in 2020 or not considering all the $$ he'll have saved the owners with attendance remaining pretty darn high. Plus don't forget he'll have a high draft pick next June as well as June of 2019 and 2020. That's three more top 5-15 draft picks. Our fans seem to be into this rebuild thing. I will say Rick Renteria had the boys playing very hard the last six weeks or so and if they continue to play hard that's probably all we can ask til 2020. GO SOX! It seems obvious to you that they're going to trade Abreu based on Hahn saying they're not going to trade him unless they get the right offer and others saying the asking price is far too high. How did you come to that conclusion given that information?

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) Would love a Sox trade of Yelich without giving up Eloy/Kopech/Robert. Would be fine with Hansen headlining a package Trading prospects at this stage is counterproductive.

Athlete or no athlete, the White Sox need positional players that have good hit tools. That appears to be the tool they have the most difficulty developing.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) I agree he isn't an amazing player. But there's got to be a point where his cost is worth losing a pick. Now to be clear, I too am not certain what I'd put that value at. 5/25?

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) I too don't hate the idea of adding Moustakas IF his price drops to around what we are saying here 5 years for 70 mil. I'd rather not lose the 2nd round pick.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) The catcher is another guy who had my attention. Phillies signed Gutierrez

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) Craig Mish‏Verified account @CraigMish 4h4 hours ago SourceS : Full trade offer from SF to Miami for Giancarlo Stanton. Tyler Beede Heliot Ramos (1st noted by @JoeFrisaro ) Chris Shaw Christian Arroyo @jonmorosi had 250 mil 1st @clarkspencer had some combo of this deal also. If that's the package for Stanton, then I want Rodgers, McMahon, and Almonte (back) from the Rockies or Reyes, Kelly, and Flaherty from the Cardinals for Abreu.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) Miller and Kimbrel are both FAs after 2018. We clearly have more work to do, but I keep circling those names even before I circle position players. I'd want Machado before either of them. Part of the reason for that being I think the White Sox prospects/young MLBers are going to provide all the relief pitching they need. I think one of Fulmer and Lopez will end up as a late inning power arm, then you have Burdi and Vieira who are already close to being ML ready relievers (with the injury caveat on Burdi, of course) and MiLB starters in Cease, Dunning, Adams, Guerrero (who probably won't be here post Rule V), Stephens, Clarkin, Flores, and even guys like Danish and Lambert who could take pen spots since they'll ideally be competing for 1 or at most 2 starting spots between them. This doesn't take into account talented relievers like Bummer, Fry, and Cooper who could get a shot as well. That's 15 guys for 7 slots, most of which are in AA or higher. I'd call that an area of relative depth for the organization, while 3B is a organizational weakness from top to bottom unless you believe in Burger's ability to stick at 3B.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 01:54 PM) Interesting stuff here. Don't forget that first glimpse we had of him in the days following his arrival (from the Peavy trade). He REALLY looked promising and had us all looking forward to his time here. He hit .304 over a 42 game sample after hitting .319 and .283 in his first 2 partial years in Detroit. Then he started off the following year decent and had 4 hits and 2 HR's the day before his injury. He was a different player after that injury. I think with it being a leg injury, he probably put on the extra weight from not being able to do normal cardio and maybe even faced a little muscle atrophy--which takes a while to build back up. Over that time and the games in his return, he became heavy and slow. Over the next couple years, his strength was built back up in his injured leg, the weight came back off and all of a sudden he starts hitting again at the .283-.319 level--then...enter the confidence factor that took him all the way to .330. SO...we're all surprised because we came to know Avi's "norm" to be what he demonstrated in the majority of the time we saw him here--the 2 heavy/slow years following a major leg injury. The .330 surprised us because it was SO different than the majority of his time here...however, it's not THAT much of a shock when you factor in that he had shown the high average skill set other healthy times in his career. I think you're on to something with the conditioning being the key for him. But we can maybe also use that as a small indicator of future performance--Assuming he stays in shape and is not injured--it may not be a surprise to see him repeat the success he had last year. Maybe not .330 because that's tough for anyone to repeat. But who's to say a .290+ year would disappoint? Now it's the power numbers that have not shown up the way we all had hoped. .290 plays in a lot of places, but there's absolutely room for improvement in the run production area--especially after playing in our stadium...but the higher average could be a normal occurrence that we just never knew about. People forget that he had a hand injury in early July that caused him to not hit a HR for a month and a half. Replace that with what was otherwise normal production for the year for him (4-5 HRs per month) and he's a 25 HR guy last year as well.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) This is not cool. Rural areas need to be heard as well. They have different problems than urban folks and they are often hand-waved by urbanites. I don't have any solutions regarding that atm but it should be looked into to see how they can be better represented. "Heard" is representation reflecting their portion of the population, rather than land mass. "Gerrymandering" is giving them control they shouldn't have based on their share of population.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) This is the definition of a representative democracy. The idea is to not let the dense urban areas control everything by pure numbers. Otherwise the rural areas would not have any representation. Sure they would. Minority representation. As it should be.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) He has absolutely no power though, and if he's going to be 2B only, I need some power out of him Scouts think he has the ability to play SS, just hasn't to be a good team player. I'd be okay with him becoming the 2014 or 2015 version of Jose Altuve or a 2007-2009 Dustin Pedroia. There's also the chance that, like Altuve, he suddenly develops power in his prime. I'd be happy with he, De Sedas, one of the LHSPs, or Gorman if the scouting staff thinks highly enough of him to take him that high.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) He may have improved his physical conditioning, but his plate discipline absolutely did NOT get better, which is among the most significant indicators that his perfromance may not have been sustainable. His second half walk rate tends to disagree with you.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 09:02 PM) This place ongoing to erupt if Ohtani sings with the cubs. They can't have a good chance of signing him.

Want the Giants to win because they have the less interesting farm than the Cardinals. More importantly, want it to be over so more teams come after Abreu and maybe even Avi.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Yes, but MLB only began consistently using the juiced ball in 2017 (see the link in my above post). 1) More consistently (the standard deviation in balls has been dropping for a decade, as shown in your linked article) 2) The ball doesn't explain the significant reduction in his K rate or the increase in his walk rate in the second half.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Don't forget to factor in the ball when you're comparing someone's 2017 stats to their 2016 stats. Avi isn't the only one who had a sudden outrageously good season. Scooter Gennett is another example. The ball is a factor The ball has been juiced since the 2015 all star break.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 06:25 AM) His batted ball profile isn't that different from 2015-16 so I don't know what you guys are talking about. His exit velocity went down too, from 104 to 90 mph last season so it wasn't like he was hitting the ball harder. That's not true at all. No one had an average exit velocity above 96 MPH in either of the last two seasons, and while you're correct that Avi's 2017 average exit velocity was 90.1 MPH, his 2016 average exit velocity was 90.2 MPH. 2017 data 2016 data

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) If you look at the data on Avi there is no reason why anyone should trade for him. If you believe the underlying stats, 2017 was an extreme outlier, and is highly unlikely to be repeated, and a team would be giving up valuable assets for someone who would be a non-tender candidate in the 2018-19 offseason. I posted in the Avi thread about this. It only takes one sucker though, and if Hahn gets an offer of anyone who is or could be a prospect, he should take it and run. Are you only looking at BABIP? Because in looking at the underlying data, that is the only way you could come to that conclusion. His entire contact profile changed this year, he pulled the ball more, made less soft contact than at any point in his career by noticeable amounts, and his strikeout rate dropped dramatically, both from his career norm and throughout the season. Avi is a player who I think will experience significant regression in 2018, but I expect to see positive regression in the power and walk numbers as much as I expect the negative average regression everyone is worried about. I wouldn't be surprised if those regressions offset and he became a 4 WAR player again next year with a much different statline.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:06 PM) Interesting take from Jeff Sullivan from a Fangraphs chat today: How could it not be Abreu? Stanton's contact is a nightmare.