Princess Dye

In a playoff series we actually could see Danks used as a reliever some. Getting ahead of myself, I know..

QUOTE (WCSox @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 01:00 PM) Delgado pissed off a lot of people in New York when he refused to stand for the playing of "God Bless America" during the 7th inning stretch. I'm not sure that I'd want somebody like that on my team. I respect his personal beliefs and all, but he needs to act like a professional and check those beliefs at the door when he shows up to work. The fact that he'll be 38 next year and is coming off of a season-ending injury makes me want him even less. I believe that act was more to point at the unjustness of the U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, as opposed to just general anti-Americanism. Most would rather he do this in some other way I suppose. The song itself is a little silly. God bless this country, make sure it's just this one country..ok now..bless it!

If Putz comes out electric, and Jenks continues his '09 performance...it will be frustrating to see how the business side will get in the way of them putting Putz in the right role. At least that will be the accusation if the trigger isnt pulled fast enough. I like getting Dolsi if for no other fact that it seems like it's been a few years now where we dont have a stable of possible, ready bullpen arms to go to. As long as Ehren Wasserman was a real possibility for our pen, I knew we didnt have viable relief help on the farm. Last year it seemed like everything viable was on the major league roster, as evidenced by Poreda being up out of necessity. Do you guys think the Sox......for trade value concerns... kind of 'managed' Poreda's ERA last year with the infrequent situations he was put in? If so, another reliever should have been up instead of him (if one was around). And also, will it happen again this year in a sense with Tyler Flowers or Hudson...?

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 12:21 PM) I agree with this, and hopefully he can return to that too I will take those 47 doubles any year gladly. Hell, his 31 total for 2009 sadly wouldve let us for a whole year. Not that this says a ton about anything other than how bad we were.

We offer him more money than anyone else and he'll come here. 95% of these deals come down to most $ offered.

For Rios' 08 production (which is not even his best) plus his glove...it's a market value contract.

For some reason I never realized that Delgado actually has never become horrible, or close to it.

Well Quentin's not really a part of this thing in that he doesnt provide a team like SD with longterm savings

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...ticleid=1219502 Not likely to happen between Bos and SD right now. Apparently.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) I was thinking about this yesterday, and I realized one thing. No way Matsui signs here for $6.5 million when the Angels are making the same offer. My guess is he would have required something closer to $8 million in order to pass the Angels and sign with us. So it's not really $6.5 million we're talking here. It's more. Probably right. But I think it still stands since we've committed potentially more to Putz with incentives anyway. Kenny is given a worst case scenario dollar figure I guess, and thus far 3M (Pierre) plus whatever Putz can potentially make....is what kw was given.

It's not like Ozzie wants fewer good players. But it was probably put to him that he can either have DH by committee.....or the same bullpen. Something along those lines. I mean, who in their right mind wants fewer talented players?

Since we're looking at roughly 6M for either side of that..... would you have preferred going a route with Matsui (and I guess Beckham leading off....DJ staying...?)

A few times now we've lost out on a player to LAA. You can kind of see how this thing boiled down to the Sox probably offering Matsui 1 year 5M and probably just set the market for one of his two preferred teams to go higher. And then after that we just went and got Putz/Pierre. We have so many scrap heap guys and guys we traded for......it just makes me doubt that we can bring cream of the crop guys here ever via FA.

Tyler will get time in the minors, but if all goes well I could see him being up midyear. After all, if they bring back Thome we'll be pretty low on right-handed DH options. And TF's already 24. If AJP leaves next year then you're throwing this kid in cold next year with an experienced staff. While you want a young guy to play everyday in the minors... there's also some benefit with letting him sit behind AJP, get the occasional turn at DH. You get to build up the mystery some more with his minor league eye popping numbers. The worst thing that could happen to his trade value is you start him at AAA and he has a slump to start the year. If that happens, forget deadline deals for anything major.

One thing I disagree with seemingly most the board... I for one believe Andruw was signed to have a serious role here.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) Would you guys trade for AGonzo with a package centered around Alexei Ramirez? Something like Ramirez, Flowers, Morel, Retherford, & Nix If yes, what options are out there for a replacement SS? Gonzalez is underpriced for two years. It would take a ton more than that package to nab him. It would have to include Hudson & Flowers..and to be honest some third thing that's real nice.

Yep.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Dec 13, 2009 -> 04:24 PM) I wouldnt hate Cust if we gave him a contract with an option for a 2nd year, it wouldnt cost much and leaves us available to spend some money on a 3rd OF in f/a or trade. I'm on board for this. If you can assume you get two regular players worth of production out of Andruw/Kotsay/Cust/Pods......... and it retains your flexibility for next year... ...it's at least something to think about when you compare the odds of that with the odds of Matsui having a bad two years. Only because while Matsui sucking is less likely...it's more destructive to our 2011 FA dreams if it does happen. Depending on what Matsui gets paid now.

I guess they'll figure they can see what they have with Santos as a mop up man. Meanwhile you send Hudson to AAA and have added side benefit of letting his mystique grow as a trade asset. Then you can bring him in as the fulltime mopup man after Santos gets shelled. Which would be one of those times where a GM indirectly manages the team in a sense. I would hope it doesnt backfire and cost us a few early games that would have helped a division battle later.

We can talk about Cust specifically if anyone wants. Do you see it as just another way of making an out, or as evidence that yr guy cant do crap with the bat besides try for the seats? Obviously the latter is what most people tend to side with... but then again all over the field you have different guys trying to provide different services to a team. One is power. And in our park it may be worth some Ks to get it.

Can I change to "Die Sox White Fan" how do I do this...is it somewhere in my controls or does a mod have to. Or do i just have to completely restart and lose postcount

Maybe JJ Putz and Matt Thornton hang out in this bar where everyone there is an awesome reliever.

He was never my all-time favorite player or anything, but he'll probably be remembered in an unfair light for this last half season. And as far as his whole career here...will probably be given a little less than his due b/c he wasnt a homegrown talent, and overall was pretty much a vanilla personality. But several years here he had some big numbers, and obviously meaningful ones with regard to the history of the franchise.

I could keep it but he'll probably be in the AL against us and it'd just be weird. suggestions? Never got to switch to ShutUpandDye as I had planned

I don't love it, but if they've done their homework on Putz and needed to do this to make it happen financially...then I cant be opposed. Especially if they see Hudson as being the long man. Carrasco was solid but this year should be about contention. So you kind of have to dare to be great, get some live arms. What we're really all mad at is that the Linebrink move still hurts us, in that we went multiyear with this guy and being trapped under that, we're forced to make this kind of move. In isolation I cant hate this, have to see what final product KW leaves us with.