Balta1701

This can only hurt our draft position...

QUOTE (scs787 @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 04:12 PM) Even without dumping 1 of those guys the Sox still have plenty of money to be in the Abreu sweepstakes. I prefer they hold onto Dunn, if he keeps up what he's done the last 3 months then the team is much better off. If they lose Dunn and don't replace him with another LH middle of the order bat then they are once again left without a power bat. I'd happily dump Dunn if someone took on more than $10 million of what he has remaining or if someone gave up something of value for him. Basically, that means someone overpays for him. So far, no team has shown interest in doing so. If no one is going to give up more for him than he is worth, then he's a sunk cost to the White Sox and we may as well get some production out of it.

Ichiro is 6 hits away from 4,000 career between the U.S. and Japan.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Sign Tim Lincecum & Delmon Young Oh God no.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 02:20 PM) Miguel Tejada suspended for 105 games. For BioGenesis?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) I would have a problem if all 4 leftys looked like each other. Part of the reason leftys are so hard to hit is that they're more rare. If you have three leftys starting a 3 game series, by the time the 3rd one starts, hitters are more dialed into them. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the 4 lefty rotation since they aren't the same kind of guy, but I somewhat doubt that the White Sox organization is bold enough to do that. That said, there are a couple other concerns as well. The Sox should also take into account what they can get for these guys and whether they are truly ready to put one of Rienzo and Johnson in AAA or in the bullpen next year (which I would absolutely hat - edit - I mean having them in the pen). I don't know who the top 1-2 3b prospects in baseball these days are, but if the Sox could get someone like that and a pitcher for Gillaspie and Santiago, I could very well be interested.

Ah, that explaisn a lot.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 01:02 PM) Hilarious. Just another guy an MLB team wants/needs to get rid of after signing him to a ridiculous contract. Keep signing guys to lucrative long-term deals, general managers and owners. Really makes lot of sense. Almost immediately after signing guys, teams want to rid themselves of these players. Insanity. How on Earth did you know he'd hurt his shoulder and why weren't you screaming about it at the time?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) Defensive WAR from a 1st baseman? Color me unimpressed. First, how do they calculate this nonsense? Second, it's not above this mythical "replacement player." It's above the corpse of Paul Konerko. Neither Konerko or Dunn have been very good, but fangraphs does think Dunn has been somewhat worse. Either way...either of them playing 1b full time is now a very bad thing for the White Sox and should not happen again after this year.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) f***ing windows was working on a very important proposal on which I was already past due...had left my computer open for a nap... computer updated by itself and I lost all changes I had made (pretty much an entire day of work) because the autorecover apparently f***ed up I had to shut off automatic updates a year or two ago when Windows started downloading 15 or so updates in the middle of the day and then Microsoft's website went down mid-download for a couple hours, or at least I couldn't reach it, and the computer kept trying to restart downloading to the point that it jammed up everything else for the entire day.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 17, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) Not really, but okay. Dunn's bat has more than made up for the small drop off in defense. He's actually on the verge of putting up a better season with the bat than 2012 and a worse season overall in terms of WAR.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) You realize Dunn has played a lot more games at first than Konerko this year, right? And unfortunately that's been a really bad thing for the white sox.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 09:12 PM) I loved the way Q kept challenging him. Kid's got stones. That was a helluva ballsy curveball there to get him

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 08:59 PM) tough to survive this inning, considering it is Mauer, Morneau, Willingham. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 09:05 PM) Q a bit wild And still gets through it unscathed.

Q a bit wild

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 06:26 PM) I've never understood why advanced metrics dislike Gordon. I don't know that I can explain it, but I can use some of the basic tools at ESPN to break it down. They still give "Range Factor" and "Zone Rating" numbers that I can compile around the league. Beckham's "Range factor" (putouts per 9 innings) is 4.49 which is in the bottom 1/2 of 2b in the AL and has gone down every year since 2010. His fielding percentage this year is similarly poor, towards the bottom of the league. His zone rating score, the fraction of balls he's getting to in the ESPN counting sense, is also fairly low, although that has been improving every year. Basically I think the trick is he makes too many errors right now and he doesn't cover enough ground to make up for not being a vacuum on things he does get to. And although he's getting better on making plays he does get to, he's making fewer plays every year so he's getting to fewer balls. Yes those are the crappy preliminary defensive metrics but they're things I can break down easily to discuss parts of his performance, WAR is harder to break down in the same way.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) I wonder if he will be more interested in a short term deal though. Maybe something like 3/27 with the team giving rights to arbitration away at the end of the deal. That way he can be a FA again at 30 and make his money there. If he goes for a long term deal he loses his chance to make a lot more money as he would be a FA until his mid to late 30's. I don't think there's a chance he'd go for 3/$45 when he could be staring at 6/$70 easily. Take the extra 30-40 million and hit free agency again at 32.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) Unless he impresses him in an interview, I don't Theo as the type to bring in an old fan favorite to coach. If rebuilding keeps being the theme for the next couple years the fanbase is going to really get impatient and Theo will need a scalp to present to them to keep the heat off of himself.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 11:16 AM) I don't know. He has shown he can come back strong from injuries. His back has been bothering him all season. If it gets right he may be able to do it. That's great, but a "guy in his late 30's trying to heal up his back and come back for 1 more year" really wouldn't have any place on a team like where the 2014 white sox will be. The 2014 White Sox seem like every guy on their Roster should be someone that they're stuck with because of contracts (Danks, Dunn), someone who has a future with the team (90% of the roster), and maybe a bullpen or bench guy veteran thrown in to be a veteran and possibly be traded at the deadline.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 16, 2013 -> 08:04 AM) Hawk keeps chattering about Konerko coming back in 2014. Actually, it would not surprise me. Then we can give him a standing O when his new team comes to Chicago, as long as someone convinces that manager to let him start a game that series.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) Dan Hayes says the same on twitter. Added that pulling him was "precautionary".

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 08:38 PM) Does that make anybody else kind of sad? I mean it's great to have him productive, but I thought the Sox had a 20-25 HR infielder when he first got to the show, not just a singles/doubles guy. I still don't know what kind of power he has because of that wrist injury. It's going to cost him power all year, that was said when the injury first happened.

“@CST_soxvan: Not sure why. Beckham appeared to wince somewhat after a slide into third in first inning but ... Before game, he said his hand was fine.”

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 06:19 PM) Elvis Andrus cleared waivers.... He is owed a lot of money. A lot.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 15, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) I should have added "serious" to the word discussion. Also, adding a link to an article that negates the man's worst stretch ever (see: time with White Sox) makes no sense. And yet that fangraphs piece makes the point that he has a reasonable shot at 500 HR's, which if done in a presumably clean era, will give him a longer look than McGriff got for example. The point of that article will only change if Dunn stops hitting home runs, which he's back to doing again. That said, even if he gets to 500 I wouldn't vote for him.