Balta1701

I'm in with "depends on signings". If the White Sox want to come into 2020 with a roster that could be competitive on paper, right now they need to add a RF, a 1b/DH (probably easiest to fill), a 2b, a starting pitcher, and an entire bullpen. They might be able to pull off a trade for someone, but they don't have a lot of assets outside of Robert and Cease so let's just assume mostly this gets done via FA. There are some 2b options available as decent free agents. Scooter Gennett from the Reds, Jonathan Schoop from the Twins, Zobrist, Starlin Castro, some part time guys like Kendrick, Wilmer Flores, Brock Holt, Asdrubal Cabrera. At 3b the list is thinner, there are a handful of moderate quality names (Donaldson), but if you want the biggest upgrade available on the infield, that's Anthony Rendon. Rendon has played some 2b before, but not since 2015. If you want the biggest IF upgrade available next year, It's Rendon, Anderson, moncada, 1b. Moncada, Anderson, Gennett, and 1b could potentially be good enough, but Rendon would be worth it.

That just means no complications during the surgery itself. Surgery can kill people.

No reason at all for Rodon to accept that. If you offer him arbitration 2 years, you guarantee him $10 million and he hits free agency in 2 years with no restrictions. If he isn't offered arbitration, he's likely to get a little less than $10 million over 2 years while rehabbing and pitching out 1.25 seasons, less overall guarantee, but he'll have a chance to make more than $10m as a free agent if he performs well. The only scenario where you would take that deal is if you really don't think there's any chance you'll pitch in 2021 and you're more hurt than the team thinks.

The Brewers sent 4 players in that deal. The top ranked prospect, Brinson, was top 20 at the time. They received 2 top 100 prospects, and the additional pieces are decent. Based on where the White Sox's guys were ranked at the time, something like Kopech, Dunning, Burger, and Burdi, would have been roughly comparable value at the time, and you might have to nibble around for some alternate players if the Marlins scouts didn't like some of our guys, which they obviously would have been right to do.

How do you define "Pretty good"? Is this team 1 tolerable PG away from competing for the 8-9 slot? Probably not. Could they compete for the 8-9 slot with a tolerable PG, better health, and improvement from WCJ and Lauri? Maybe, but am I likely to bet on good health and good development from this Bulls organization and coaching staff?

A 1 year deal with a 1 year team option is what I expect Rodon to sign if he's DFA'd by the White Sox this offseason. It could be similar money to what the White Sox would have to pay in 2 arbitration years, although Rodon's never been as good as Pineda was so paying them comparably is hard to justify. However, that is a very different beast from what he's suggesting, which is something that assumes Rodon's side would be willing to give up a few extra years of not hitting free agency for a little more money now.

You know what the basic, fundamental problem here is right? It's Scott Boras. That's literally all I have to say. Team friendly options just aren't a thing, his side will always force you to FA as quick as possible. If he had to sign a deal that was 1 year with an option year for Rodon because of his injury only, his side would accept that, but he's not going to give you a deal that could have the downside of Rodon being locked away from free agency for 5 years. That's what it means to have Boras as your agent. The 3rd way just doesn't exist. You get to choose: non-tender Rodon this offseason, or follow the Boras-mandated path that takes him to FA after 2021.

If you got him healthy, as soon as he does anything that might even suggest he could be a contributor, he hits free agency, and you've paid nearly $10 million for the privilege.

It seems like he played 15 games in the first 14 days of this month and his last day off was the last rainout against Baltimore on April 30, checking the game logs.

Has Tim had a full game off yet this year?

And yes I had to look - it was for the Carolina League, Winston Salem performance, not for anything to do with BHam. I was moderately confused.

From the people who have watched him, it sounds like literally every ball off his bat is weak contact, and that's why his BABIP is so low, everything is an easy out.

Did you mean to write $12 million instead of $2 million? Boston's luxury tax was $12 million last year.

No it doesn't represent a bird in the hand. You described it as an option, not a 2 year guarantee. By definition an option is something he doesn't have guaranteed. He does not have that bird in the hand, he has to go hunt it, and he's given up the right to hunt extra.

Boston's luxury tax penalty number right now is something like $240 million+. If they add $10 million to that, they will cross into the upper tier of the luxury tax penalties where the percentages shoot up and it costs them a draft pick.

I hope the White Sox FO is terrified to bring up Madrigal he's a disaster right now.

You're counting Madrigal as a positive?

yes. That's silly. The guy is not giving up that year of free agency, that's terrible business. If he didn't perform there's no benefit to him since the option is an option, if he performed well he's costing himself money. The entire concept assumes that his representation is stupid. Guys will give up those kind of contracts when they are coming back from surgery and expect to miss 2/3 of the season and just need someone's facilities where they can rehab for a year.

Ah the game of time travel. It's amazing how much better it makes those franchises that use it. Avi Garcia would never have signed a deal last offseason that included an option year. All right, maybe if you guaranteed him $15 million you coulda gotten an option, but with only 1 year of team control remaining there's no way he'd sign an option unless you way overpaid. If he hits well this year he'll make good money next offseason and so there's no benefit to him to give the team an option unless they way overpay. This is silly territory.

They don't? You can literally pay full price for them on the free agent market. You can do that for Avi next year if you think he's so particularly special.

As others have noted...that's a dicey proposition while drafting 3rd many years, but given that the Diamondbacks have an enormous haul of money to spend that seems to be a particularly iffy concept this year.

Everything the last few days has made it sound like that's the current expectation.

That was Kenny, not Rick. In his rant about how any White Sox fans that think this organization cheap are bad.

I totally forgot that the lottery happened until almost midnight last night and I can't say I'm unhappy that I did.

Dude your quote is totally out of date. "Our fans would have been much more disappointed in our inability to keep this next core together."