Milkman delivers

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:29 PM) Dammit, I was going to put this in my winter queue to watch. Then stop reading or it's going to be completely ruined

QUOTE (danman31 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) In fairness the first season was only 6 episodes so this is basically still the first season where character development hasn't completed. Shane has totally changed as we've seen the show and that's something that probably helps the show going forward. I like the development of Daryl surprisingly. He seems like a good character going forward. The second episode was bad, too much crying and not enough doing. I felt like I was watching a zombie version of Lost with the flashbacks. I'll still watch because the episode cliffhangers are solid. The ending to this last episode is very encouraging. As for the inconsistent zombie speeds the creator of the comics said that it depends on when the person turned. If they died before the change could take effect their body wouldn't be able to move very well. If they died and shortly after turned they can move at a pretty decent clip. None of them are going to be all out sprinting, but they move. Seems like we are thinking very similarly.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) Tex was born and raised in Chicago. Southern Chicago, with the palm trees and white, sandy beaches.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:17 PM) And the bigger the outcry, the more likely it's fixed by ballot 2. Yes, but that doesn't change the very real possibility that he won't get in on the first ballot.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) I am not going to read too much into this, but I sincerely hope he isn't going to say keep doing what you, it was just one of those years. I believe this was for public consumption and to give Dunn a little confidence. But really, one of those years?! I'd rather he said we're going to take the winter to evaluate, study past film, and identify what is different and get him back on track. Or say something like they believe they've identified a hole in his swing, and they'll be working on it throughout the offseason and ST.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) TLR had less than one year of minor league managerial experience when he was hired by the White Sox as their MLB manager. Worked out pretty good. Looks like he had almost 2 years of managing/coaching experience before he became the White Sox manager.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) 3B coaches are only do-nothing if you treat them that way. They are still on the coaching staff and interact with the players on a day to day basis. It was a HUGE upgrade to bring in McEwing over Cox. Being a base coach is how alot of "experienced managers" get their first time gig, like Alan Trammel who is a first time manager's bench coach (Kirk Gibson) and started out as the 1B coach for the Padres before being hired by the Tigers. If Robin goes against most experts opinions and unquestionably fails, I would bet McEwing would be 1st in line for the managers chair. You're taking everything so literally. Obviously the 3B coach has his duties (I've said myself a bunch of times that any coaching experience is a step in the right direction), but compared to the bench coach, it's not nearly as important. I think we both agree that McEwing is better qualified than Parent, so if anything, he should have been given the bench coach position while Parent took 3B duty.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) Were you alive in the mid-90s? He'll get 1st ballot, no question, btw. Ugh, I knew someone would say that. I don't know why I leave these holes when I know they're there. Thomas was a complete afterthought in baseball for the vast majority of the last 10 years of his career (undeservedly). He definitely should be a first ballot guy, but the writers have a tendency to f*** these things up by voting against guys they dislike, voting for guys that are less deserving because they were media friendly, and only voting in a certain number of guys a year. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone if he has to wait a year or two. Don't confuse this with me saying that it's OK. But we should all understand that it's a very real possibility.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:20 PM) Having outfielders doesn't mean being loaded with outfielders. The only one who has proven he's worth a s***, when healthy, is Carlos Quentin, and all signs point to him being dealt this offseason. The Sox were loaded with 5th starters from 2001-2004. Remember how many they had? A ton.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) The bolded has absolutely nothing to do with my posts. Go back and re-read what I said. And Robin has a TON of experience in an MLB clubhouse, McEwing has both playing experience and managerial experience and was also named the top managerial candidate in the Southern league. In 2009 he was named the manager of the year in that league as well. Parent has 4 years of managerial experience as well as 474 games of MLB playing experience. So I take it that NO experience was either based on NO research or based on him not having held the title of manager at the MLB level, kind of like TLR when he was hired by the Sox. If you were going to name the top MLB managers in the modern era: TLR, Torre, Bobby Cox, Sparky Anderson you have less than 10 years of minor league managerial experience between them before they became MLB managers, and roughly 2 years of MLB coaching experience total (other than manager). Then perhaps McEwing should be the bench coach instead of the do-nothing job of 3B coach. And I'm not sure who said Parent has no experience at all. It's been said that he has no major league managing/coaching experience, which a bench coach should probably have when his manager has absolutely no managing experience whatsoever.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Yikes, part of Robin's duties as the new manager will be taking over for the CFO? I bet Tim Buzzard SVP of administration is not happy about losing his duties. You're taking this analogy incredibly literally. The point is that he's going from a nobody in the organization to possibly the third most powerful member in the franchise hierarchy. Now, I'm sure you'll mention that each specific stock holder has sway over him or some s***, but I'm fairly certain you and everyone reading this gets the point.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Next time I'm just going to just "accidentally bump into the ref to knock him out" and use a steel chair. Because you know, bumping into ref's knocks them out cold for a good 10 minutes no matter how soft you connect. Or you can have your manager, male or female, distract or knock the ref out with whatever item they normally carry.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) Or maybe he wants to go to a team to win another championship The other part of the deal is how they deal with him during the process. That's why I mentioned the money part as well.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) If Frank Thomas is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, then they should just shut the freaking place down. The guy never got the national recognition that he deserved. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's not a first ballot guy. In fact, I half expect that to happen.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) Frasor, Crain, Ohman, Thornton could net some nice returns at the trade deadline if we're out of it. But, as is the case and problem with the Sox every season, they won't admit they're out of it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) Do you honestly think what you wrote applies to this situation at all? If you do then it's probably not worth even trying to explain to you how terrible your reasoning is. In your example Robins illustrious MLB career is equal to working in the mail room. Lol. I'm just picking a level of a company. You can say that he was just a salesman in a company then, if that helps you swallow it. You watch The Office? It's like Andy getting promoted from being salesman, past Regional Manager, to David Wallace's job.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) I think he'll be a popular buy-low guy, and therefore not as cheap as you're guessing. This.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) So, Robin Ventura = Billy Madison? I don't believe Billy ever worked at all. But using that scenario, it's like having Billy almost be in charge (taking KW into account) and where he should have chosen Carl as his advisor/second-in-command, he chose Norm MacDonald. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:21 PM) whitesox Chicago White Sox Mark Parent: Robin isn't afraid to fail. A lot of people don't understand that when players are done playing we're still the same people That's a good mindset, I guess. I have a feeling that they'll be seeing a lot of what they're not afraid of in 2012.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) DING! Haha, I get it!

I am not surprised by this in the least. This and Buehrle re-signing are the two things I was quite sure about at the end of the season. QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) I also doubt Ohman gets cloned. Damn, I was hoping I would be the first to notice that. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) I'd guess that this move does increase the chances he's moved...but that moves Santiago into the pen as a 2nd lefty, and Reed is still barely making it. No room for Axelrod, no room for Stewart, no room for Infante, unless they outpitch Reed in ST. I'm sure Santiago can handle the duties of a second lefty. I expect much more out of him in the future, but that seems like a very basic duty that I'm quite sure he'll succeed at.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) How dumb of me to try applying the perfect plex on the guy that invented it...duh, of course you know how to reverse it! That's alright, as long as you learn from your mistakes. ::spits out gum and slaps it into a nearby crowd::

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) I'm taking the wait and see approach, but I sure would have felt a lot better if there was an experienced guy sitting on the bench next to Ventura. And who else beside Coop speaks fluent Spanish? Man if this doesn't go right, US Cellular field is going to be empty an awful lot next year. Barring a miraculous turnaround from a lot of players, the Cell will be empty a lot next year.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) Yes, if thats the platform you are taking to criticize the coaching hires. I dont think thats the case as people with zero experience working jobs can definitely succeed if they have the right tools and motivation. Once again, in this particular case if your only argument is that they are going to suck because they dont have experience you are basically arguing against your argument. There's a reason these things don't happen in the real world. It would make sense if Ventura had some management experience. It's like an owner of a business deciding to make his son, who had previously worked in the mail room for about 15 years and has since been backpacking across Europe for about 8 years, the VP of his company. It would help if the guy had even been a manager of a handful of employees at some level of the company beforehand. And instead of making his right-hand man someone who had experience with a high level of authority in another similarly-sized corporation, he picks his buddy who was the night manager of a White Castle. I don't have to have run a Fortune 500 company to know that this is a mistake. It might work out down the line somehow, but the guy should have at least put in some effort to get where he is.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) Sorry but my thread about complaining about complaining was posted first. Perfect Plex applied. You lose. My thread was in response to yours. In essense, you attempted your finisher on me, but I countered and indeed Perfect Plexed you for the 3 count.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:03 PM) Pretty much everything by Sublime. I thought of that in the car earlier, but I completely forgot about it by the time I got home.